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  Why the vitriolic hate?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

  why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

  surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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  It's funny... according to Scientology, their views on ex-members are eerily similar to Watchtowers:

  The Suppressive Person seeks to upset, continuously undermine, spread bad news about and denigrate betterment activities and groups. Thus the Anti-Social Personality is also against what Scientology is about—helping people become more able and improving conditions in society. As anyone can think of many examples of a Suppressive Person, this concept is not limited to Scientology. However, when such a person is connected to Scientology, for the good of the Church and the individuals in it, such a person is officially labeled a Suppressive Person so that others will know not to associate with them.

  To be declared a Suppressive Person is extremely rare and results in expulsion from the Scientology religion. This occurs in instances of serious offenses against the Scientology faith and can also occur when an individual is found to be actively working to suppress the well-being of others. This can be done through criminal acts already recognized by society as unlawful or through the commitment of acts deemed Suppressive Acts in the Scientology Justice Codes—which includes the Suppressive Act of publicly renouncing the faith, an act which in Scientology, as well as almost every religion, is grounds for automatic expulsion.

  When someone has been expelled from the religion, that person loses both his or her fellowship with the Church as well as with other Scientologists. The condition lasts until they have been restored to good standing. Once the person has been restored to good standing, the prohibition against fellowship with other Scientologists is lifted. Similar practices have been part of religious communities for thousands of years and have been recognized by courts of law as a fundamental right.

  http://www.scientology.org.uk/faq/scientology-attitudes-and-practices/what-is-a-suppressive-person.html
  
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  ex-jw-uk

  by bigmac in

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  i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

  i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

  i've already found several by reading older posts..

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  Aaawww....no one from the North west then?

  Im from Liverpool.
  
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  Has anyone else recently been contacted by a once close JW friend or relative? Could this be a new JW tactic?

  by Latte in

  1. watchtower
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  hmmmm...yesterday my long life friend called my landline after many years of silence.

  now the shock has subsided, i am wondering if i can forgive and forget the fact she chose not to keep in touch throughout a time in my life which was very stressful.

  sadly, i gathered that she is still involved with jehovah’s witness faith.

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  There's no way the cult would tell members to do this. They're afraid of active members speaking to awake exJWs.

  It's most likely your friends curiosity is getting the better of her, maybe she has doubts herself.
  
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  Gerrit Losch Claims JW's Attending College Are Spiritually Weak

  by pale.emperor in

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  https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.

  the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.

  i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.

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  "Going to college is like putting a rifle in your mouth and pulling the trigger - you might survive, but we dont recommend it".

  People dont go to college with the intention of ending their life. The opposite in fact. It's to better their life.

  So let's rephrase that shall we?

  "Joining the Jehovah's Witnesses is like putting a rifle in your mouth and pulling the trigger - you might survive, but we dont recommend it".

  "Refusing a blood transfusion is like putting a rifle in your mouth and pulling the trigger - you might survive, but we dont recommend it".

  "Shunning your own family for the rest of your life is like putting a rifle in your mouth and pulling the trigger - you might survive, but we dont recommend it".
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  Juarez MX Assembly Kingdom Hall to be sold.

  by ironsnake656 in

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  2. beliefs

  there are several confirmed announcements in some congregations around the city regarding the sale of the assembly kingdom hall.

  one of the reasons why it will be sold is that expenses are not covered by donations.

  the hall was dedicated in 2009. actually, in some congregations the elders have not given the announcement for the publisher's reaction... .

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  Excellent news. Jehovah sure is becoming more and more incompetent isn't he?
  

  It'll be a WallMart by Christmas. Watch this space.
  
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  Ridiculous (degrading) comment on society's video

  by Festus in

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  on video "benefits of divine education" william samuelsson makes totally appalling comment.. starting from 3:05 he refers to "an effort" that was made in past to see how society's curriculum corresponds with normal - worldly - universities.. then he claims that following question was asked (to university representative) "how we in five months can teach the same that for them takes two years"?.

  according to w samuelsson the representative of a university replied something like this: "your students are motivated, they have come to learn where as our students have been send to university by their parents and might have something else than learning in their mind".

  this is to crystallize what he said.

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  The university representative`s statement was more than likely taken out of context and mis-quoted as is WT`s normal practice .

  That is if the conversation really ever took place in the first place

  Agreed. Any educational video or textbook worth its salt cites its sources. Even Ray Franz did (a lot) in Crises Of Conscience. And THAT'S what assured me that i wasn't reading "apostate driven lies".
  
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  The average Witness will continue to follow Watchtower leadership whether right or wrong.

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hate to say this, but given my own experience as a jw for almost 3 decades, i am beginning to believe the average jw will continue to look to and be guided by the gb regardless of whether they are right or wrong.. despite all the scandals and negative media attention the watchtower organisation is receiving, life seems to go on as normal in jw land.

  it's truly bizarre!!.

  clearly, the gbs tactic of mostly hiding away from the media is clearly working for them.

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  Some quotes from my Uber-JW mum:

  "If the Watchtower says the sky is green then it is green, and our eyes must be wrong."

  "It doesn't matter what "the facts" show, Jehovah is never wrong".

  When i was trying to get into University after i left school: "What would you want an education for in this system?"
  

  When an alcoholic elder beat up his wife and his wife left him. He wasn't removed and only 6 months later was on the platform at the circuit assembly as an example of devotion: "Jehovah chose him himself to be an elder, so there must be more to the story than what we know."
  

  So you can see why growing up in that house was toxic. Internet was not allowed in her house until JW.borg came along, suddenly it was the most amazing educational tool from Jehovah.
  
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  Why the vitriolic hate?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

  why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

  surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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  It's the sign of a true narcissist to paint others in a bad light for simply not agreeing with them AND not allow you to speak to them "just accept our word for it, they're bad". Even when i was "in" i thought it bad that we cant speak to non JWs. I mean, didnt Jesus speak to tax collectors, sinners and Samaritans?
  

  An ex elder i wrote about on here months ago who woken up and left is being shunned by his whole family. He's an ex Bethelite, same age as me, was well "loved" in the congregation. Funny thing is, he still believes in YHWH, still goes to a church, still lives the same clean lifestyle and does a lot for children's charities - yet he's worthy of being shunned because he left the JWs. My own sister spreads stories about him which are exaggerated and half truths.

  Im just thankful i woke up, and that you all did too. More will wake up throughout our lifetimes, it'll be interesting to see who. It's never the ones you think.
  
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  Ridiculous (degrading) comment on society's video

  by Festus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on video "benefits of divine education" william samuelsson makes totally appalling comment.. starting from 3:05 he refers to "an effort" that was made in past to see how society's curriculum corresponds with normal - worldly - universities.. then he claims that following question was asked (to university representative) "how we in five months can teach the same that for them takes two years"?.

  according to w samuelsson the representative of a university replied something like this: "your students are motivated, they have come to learn where as our students have been send to university by their parents and might have something else than learning in their mind".

  this is to crystallize what he said.

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  pale.emperor

  Stupid, stupid, stupid.

  If Watchtower is to be believed, people only go to University to have sex and make a lots of money upon graduating. Heaven forbid someone would become a Doctor because they actually want to save lives!
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  Watchtower rips off Disney

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no doubt this point has been made before but i see no harm in emphasising it.

  my family heard on the grapevine that "the society" had people who used to animate for disney.

  well , if that is true , it certainly shows.

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  pale.emperor

  I'd like to see a Watchtower CGI animation of more bible stories. The bible is "without error" after all and "beneficial for teaching...". Wonder when they're gonna show the CGI of Lot banging his own daughters, Jehovah burying people alive in the wilderness (we seen the Moses vs Korah drama of that, but they didnt show the women and children victims), or how about the good old family favorite of that Levite who bought himself a sex-slave in Bethlehem. After she was gangraped he chopped her up and sent her parts to various parts of the country. (Judges 19)