well.....they showed that shunning video again.
you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.
everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.
They always use the example of Korah and Moses with this. They fail to see that that they are Korah, not us.
Korah challenges the authority of Moses despite all the evidence that YHWH was using him (miracles etc.). Moses never got it wrong. Moses didnt flip-flop.
Do we see any evidence that YHWH is using the GB? No. Did Korah have any evidence that YHWH would choose him? No. Both Korah and the GB assume a position that is not theirs.
tired of listening to your local elders giving the "special" talk ever year after the memorial?
well don't worry, as of next year we will be spicing things up for your enjoyment.. not only will we be having the talk before the memorial (i know, wild huh), but we will be treating you to the talk via video starring our famous speakers from bethel so you can see how a talk should be given (after all bethel does boast the best speakers in any country, right?!).
here's a copy of the text from our latest letter as i'm sure that with so much excitement you won't believe it at first!.
The 'Kingdom Ministry School' is the 'school' for elders/ms's - see Drearyweather's post above.
The 'Theocratic Ministry School' is the weekly congregation 'school' which became included within the CLAM meeting.
What am i thinking of? Where they just dropped the number 3 talks entirely?
tired of listening to your local elders giving the "special" talk ever year after the memorial?
well don't worry, as of next year we will be spicing things up for your enjoyment.. not only will we be having the talk before the memorial (i know, wild huh), but we will be treating you to the talk via video starring our famous speakers from bethel so you can see how a talk should be given (after all bethel does boast the best speakers in any country, right?!).
here's a copy of the text from our latest letter as i'm sure that with so much excitement you won't believe it at first!.
I remember when they replaced the Kingdom Ministry School with the Christian Life And Ministry. I used to actually enjoy giving talks from the platform, bible history and theology in general was a massive interest of mine so i loved it. When they knocked all that on the head, my elder father in law said (with a big smile on his face) "see, this is why the GB have changed it. People getting too proud and making it about themselves."
It never was about me, it was about actually enjoying an assignment.
tired of listening to your local elders giving the "special" talk ever year after the memorial?
well don't worry, as of next year we will be spicing things up for your enjoyment.. not only will we be having the talk before the memorial (i know, wild huh), but we will be treating you to the talk via video starring our famous speakers from bethel so you can see how a talk should be given (after all bethel does boast the best speakers in any country, right?!).
here's a copy of the text from our latest letter as i'm sure that with so much excitement you won't believe it at first!.
They do seem to be cutting back on the number of live talks and demos. Remember the dramas in the conventions? Dont see them anymore either.
Here's hoping it'll fizzle into an internet televangelist religion like so many on TV asking for donations and selling bible courses for a "love gift donation of $49"
i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!
it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.
(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.
Welcome pimojw!!
I've been awake about 3 years, DA'd 15 months ago (then DF'd anyway for "apostasy"). I claimed Jesus was the mediator for all mankind, GB said otherwise. So that made me the apostate. You couldn't make it up could you?
When i first left i was like you are now, not really sure what to believe. Although im now an atheist, i love many things the Buddha said, many are strikingly similar to Jesus words but pre-date him by 500 years. A great book to read is Teachings Of The Buddha.
It's great once you get to live your life on your own terms. I have a friend who is an ex-elder. Really great to see you here. As regards to identity, sometimes we change the town, names, dates etc in our stories to keep our privacy. (Although personally, im more than happy for people to know my city).
i should know the answer to this but my memory is failing big time.
our friend just called who is still in the cult.
he's been away from it for about five months now.
...the coby came up to him and said welcome back since it's been four and a half months you haven't been to a meeting. The coby then said there was going to be a judicial meeting set up for him.
Oh, what a welcome!
Dubstepped it right though, although it'd depend on how much of an asshole the elders were, they could get him on Brazen Conduct.
BUT REMEMBER!! If he's turns up to the JC, they take that as "evidence that he recognizes the authority of that body". I'd tell him not to turn up, or better still tell them he doesn't recognize the authority of the body and then not turn up.
i've only just stopped laughing.. in my old hall there's a brother who's now claiming to be of the anointed.. he's 28.. i do wonder if he's doing this for attention, if he's awake and messing with them, or if he really is that deluded.
when i was in he was an ms. which surprised even me because only a year earlier than that he was "a bit of a lad", is rubbish at talks and relies on his elder uncle to get him out of trouble all the time.. i guess this now means he's get his pick of jw sisters.
he's been after the same one as the rest of his peers since 2014..
Hey PE just a slighly off topic thought but would it be posible to wake someone up from their cult indoctrination via hypnosis?
Yes. The approach would be to "help" them realize that it's much nicer not being in a cult. Except, if they 100% believe and have zero doubt then it wouldn't work. But you could embed a post-hypnotic suggestion to shout "what a load of old sh*t!" every time someone says amen. That'd be fun.
i've only just stopped laughing.. in my old hall there's a brother who's now claiming to be of the anointed.. he's 28.. i do wonder if he's doing this for attention, if he's awake and messing with them, or if he really is that deluded.
when i was in he was an ms. which surprised even me because only a year earlier than that he was "a bit of a lad", is rubbish at talks and relies on his elder uncle to get him out of trouble all the time.. i guess this now means he's get his pick of jw sisters.
he's been after the same one as the rest of his peers since 2014..
I've only just stopped laughing.
In my old hall there's a brother who's now claiming to be of the anointed.
He's 28.
I do wonder if he's doing this for attention, if he's awake and messing with them, or if he really is that deluded. When i was in he was an MS. Which surprised even me because only a year earlier than that he was "a bit of a lad", is rubbish at talks and relies on his elder uncle to get him out of trouble all the time.
I guess this now means he's get his pick of JW sisters. He's been after the same one as the rest of his peers since 2014.
not sure if this question has been asked before but thought it would be interesting to read peoples response..
Very simple. Allow me to pick up after that incompetent Jehovah had created Adam and Eve. I wont create a tree to test them. And i'd communicate directly with the human race. People are given a choice to "allow me to look after them" like a father. NOT WORSHIP. I dont want to be worshipped, i just want to look after my humans.
Those who let me look after them are given whatever they want, they're intelligent, they live very long lives and eventually fall asleep in complete bliss and pass away. When they pass away they're with me up here and can come back down for visits every now and then.
Those who dont want me to look after them are free to go and on the other side of the world. The people living there get sick, the grow old, they experience hardship. They can come back whenever they want and let me look after them and nothing bad will happen.
Anyone who attempts to harm a child is zapped immediately.
i have heard of this happening before, but how often?
its pretty rare it seems.
i have often wondered if the elders would go this route with me since they knew i was actively sinning, but as far as i know, no jc was ever formed.
This is a classic case of control. You cant leave even silently. Because they'll just hold a JC with you not even there, DF you and announce you from the platform.
From what i remember from the elders guidebook, an inactive one turning up to a JC is taken as "respecting the authority of that body"... of course the poor inactive person isnt told that. He could be turning up to be polite.
After 6 years i'd say your safe. I know people who've faded less than a year and are left alone.
