Posts by pale.emperor

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Thesis on Shunning within Jehovah Witnesses

by keinlezard in

hello, .

juliagutgsell publish her thesis i'm reading it , and found it interresting .

https://vub.academia.edu/juliagutgsell.

How Are Ex Elders Treated In The Congregation?

by minimus in

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are they pretty much left alone?

are they respected for their having been elders at one time?

are they treated like crap?.

Never believe any elder that tells you "it's all confidential, whatever gets said in this room is just between us". My ex-father in law was, and still is, an elder. I knew ALL the gossip and judicial committee news. The elders and their wives pass them around at the dinner table and have a good laugh.

At least they do in Speke congregation in Liverpool!

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1st it was happy at bethel now it also appears in the KH

by joe134cd in

https://youtu.be/lfddxzipzga.

pale.emperor

And those placards they're wearing 5 minutes in are all old light. "Bible Truth Made Clear" ??? Really? Back then their core doctrines were very different. So how the hell was it "truth" or "made clear" when they didnt have "the truth" back then???

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North Korean Propaganda Is Almost Identical To That Of The Governing Body

by pale.emperor in

if you get the chance, watch this documentary:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v42r54irjbg.

substitute the name kim jong un for the governing body and it's exactly the same!

pale.emperor

If you get the chance, watch this documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V42R54IrJBg

Substitute the name Kim Jong Un for The Governing Body and it's exactly the same!!

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DPRK Asserts that USA has Declared War

by cofty in

north korea has taken president trump's recent statements as a declaration of war.

pyongyang reserves the right to shoot down american planes even if they are not inside their airspace.. i listened to trump's speech to the un with dismay.

it demonstrated a total lack of understanding of his enemy and the inevitable consequences of inflicting personal insults on kim jong-un.

pale.emperor

Seriously though, if it came down to it the DPRK would get destroyed.

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1st it was happy at bethel now it also appears in the KH

by joe134cd in

https://youtu.be/lfddxzipzga.

pale.emperor

"See! We have fun! We're all happy!!"

Can you hear that? That was the older generation turning in their graves at this.

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The story of Punkofnice. It was the 'Overlapping' that finally got me out!

by punkofnice in

why i am now a faded apostate after the ridiculous overlapping teaching!.

i was raised in the trooooooooooth and both my parents were pioneers.

over the years i pioneered, was an ms and finally an elder.

pale.emperor

Thanks for sharing punkofnice, i love reading awakening stories.

Right now I no longer know what I believe. Is there a God? I don’t know! Is there an afterlife? I don’t know! Are Jehovah’s witnesses the one true religion? NO! Now that I do know for sure!!!!

I was at the same stage for a few months after i woke up. Im in a good place now with my own beliefs, i hope your family wake up eventually.

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Approximately how many JW have left permanently?

by longgone in

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i did try a search before posting this question and found nothing current.

pew research -2016 says approximately two thirds of those born into the religion in the united states alone, no longer consider themselves as members.

(sorry, still don't know how to link, but it's an easy google search.).

pale.emperor

According to the exJW reddit, they use a term called "the 33% club":

The 33% club does not refer to born-ins. 33% is the number of all Jehovah's Witnesses who ultimately leave the religion, whether they are born-ins, converts or whatever. 33% of all Jehovah's Witnesses ultimately leave the religion. There is some confusion about born-ins, because (oddly) 33% also applies to them, but not in the same way. Only 33% of born-ins stay in the religion (67% of them leave) - so as you can see, this is the opposite of what the trophy is about!

As regards to there being more former members than active members, i think it's more likely there being more ex-members since the religions inception than there are active members today. So more people have left than joined.

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What exactly is grieving gods Holy Spirit?

by Chook in

i had an elder tell me once i was grieving holy spirit but i’m not sure how this dickhead knew..

pale.emperor

I was told in simpler terms its "knowing it's "the truth™", but willingly going out of your way to fight against it".

Interestingly, only the 144,000 actually are sealed with the holy spirit, so us mere earth dwellers cant possibly grieve it in the first place!

Watchtower May 15th, 2010
What Paul Meant
3 First of all, note Paul’s words recorded at Ephesians 4:30. He wrote: “Do not be grieving God’s holy spirit, with which you have been sealed for a day of releasing by ransom.” Paul did not want his beloved fellow believers to endanger their spirituality. It was with Jehovah’s spirit that they had been “sealed for a day of releasing by ransom.” God’s holy spirit was and still is a seal, or an advance “token of what is to come” for anointed integrity keepers. (2 Cor. 1:22) The seal signifies that they are God’s possession and are in line for heavenly life. Those finally sealed number 144,000.—Rev. 7:2-4.
4 Grieving the spirit can be the first step leading to the total loss of the influence of God’s active force in a Christian’s life. That this is possible is evident from what David said after he had sinned in connection with Bath-sheba. David repentantly begged Jehovah: “Do not throw me away from before your face; and your holy spirit O do not take away from me.” (Ps. 51:11) Only those anointed ones who prove “faithful even to death” will receive the “crown” of immortal life in heaven. (Rev. 2:10; 1 Cor. 15:53) Christians with an earthly hope also need holy spirit if they are to maintain integrity to God and receive his gift of life on the basis of faith in Christ’s ransom sacrifice. (John 3:36; Rom. 5:8; 6:23) Hence, all of us must guard against grieving Jehovah’s holy spirit.
How Could a Christian Grieve the Spirit?
5 As dedicated Christians, we can avoid grieving the spirit. This is possible if we ‘keep on walking and living by spirit,’ for then we will not be overcome by wrong fleshly desires and will not manifest ungodly traits. (Gal. 5:16, 25, 26) But that could change. We could grieve God’s spirit to a degree by allowing ourselves to drift slowly, perhaps almost imperceptibly, toward conduct condemned in God’s spirit-inspired Word.
6 If we continually went contrary to the direction of holy spirit, we would be grieving it and Jehovah, the Source of that spirit. An examination of Ephesians 4:25-32 will show us how we should conduct ourselves, and it can help us to avoid grieving God’s spirit.

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Do they take the GB seriously?

by Tech49 in

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so this is an honest question that i have been thinking about for some time.. do regular jehovahś witnesses in other countries (other than the usa) take the governing body in new york seriously?.

i mean, i cant help but wonder about the publishers in japan, or south africa, or mexico, or new zealand, or even the uk, or spain, or italy...... or russia?.

not you and i (we know what you think of them), but the regular jwś...... do they take these american buffoons seriously?

pale.emperor

My family take them seriously 100% absolutely.

Even to the point of defended them to the hilt when I've proven to them the lies and twisted words at the ARC and producing the UN letter and Gerrit Lösch claiming in writing that he's "not part of Watchtower".

"They're imperfect men" is their get out of jail free card.