Posts by pale.emperor

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Parents who try to make you feel guilty.
by NJ501 in
1. jw
2. experiences
when parents say all the things we've done for you and your not doing anything for us in return like going to meetings, witnessing, answering up etc... how do you respond to parents?.
pale.emperor

I've had this in the form of "what would your dad say?" (my dad died when i was 19).
My reply is "my dad had no tolerance for pedophiles, child molesters or those who protect them. If he knew what i knew he'd have left too".
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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here
by pale.emperor in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
pale.emperor

Hi guys. Sooner or later we're going to get a JW knocking on our door. Just like when we were JW's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
So, if you could ask just on question to get them thinking or make them see that their religion is wrong what one would you use?
Here's mine:
Is shunning an identifying mark of Christianity? If so, who did Jesus shun?
Is it possible that Paul started his own brand of Christianity? Different from that of say Apollos or the apostles? Because 1 Corinthians 3:4 say "For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere human beings?".
Did Moses, Elijah, Isaiah or any other prophet ever have to wait on New Light?
Was Lot disfellowshipped for getting drunk and having sex with his daughters?
Should he have been?
[Regarding blood transfusions] Is a symbol of life more important that an actual life?
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Thesis on Shunning within Jehovah Witnesses
by keinlezard in
1. watchtower
2. medical
hello, .

juliagutgsell publish her thesis i'm reading it , and found it interresting .

https://vub.academia.edu/juliagutgsell.
pale.emperor

Oh yes!!
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How Are Ex Elders Treated In The Congregation?
by minimus in
1. jw
2. friends
are they pretty much left alone?

are they respected for their having been elders at one time?

are they treated like crap?.
pale.emperor

Never believe any elder that tells you "it's all confidential, whatever gets said in this room is just between us". My ex-father in law was, and still is, an elder. I knew ALL the gossip and judicial committee news. The elders and their wives pass them around at the dinner table and have a good laugh.
At least they do in Speke congregation in Liverpool!
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1st it was happy at bethel now it also appears in the KH
by joe134cd in
1. jw
2. experiences
https://youtu.be/lfddxzipzga.
pale.emperor

And those placards they're wearing 5 minutes in are all old light. "Bible Truth Made Clear" ??? Really? Back then their core doctrines were very different. So how the hell was it "truth" or "made clear" when they didnt have "the truth" back then???
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North Korean Propaganda Is Almost Identical To That Of The Governing Body
by pale.emperor in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
if you get the chance, watch this documentary:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v42r54irjbg.

substitute the name kim jong un for the governing body and it's exactly the same!
pale.emperor

If you get the chance, watch this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V42R54IrJBg
Substitute the name Kim Jong Un for The Governing Body and it's exactly the same!!
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DPRK Asserts that USA has Declared War
by cofty in
1. social
2. current
north korea has taken president trump's recent statements as a declaration of war.

pyongyang reserves the right to shoot down american planes even if they are not inside their airspace.. i listened to trump's speech to the un with dismay.

it demonstrated a total lack of understanding of his enemy and the inevitable consequences of inflicting personal insults on kim jong-un.
pale.emperor

Seriously though, if it came down to it the DPRK would get destroyed.
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1st it was happy at bethel now it also appears in the KH
by joe134cd in
1. jw
2. experiences
https://youtu.be/lfddxzipzga.
pale.emperor

"See! We have fun! We're all happy!!"
Can you hear that? That was the older generation turning in their graves at this.
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The story of Punkofnice. It was the 'Overlapping' that finally got me out!
by punkofnice in
1. jw
2. experiences
why i am now a faded apostate after the ridiculous overlapping teaching!.

i was raised in the trooooooooooth and both my parents were pioneers.

over the years i pioneered, was an ms and finally an elder.
pale.emperor

Thanks for sharing punkofnice, i love reading awakening stories.
Right now I no longer know what I believe. Is there a God? I don’t know! Is there an afterlife? I don’t know! Are Jehovah’s witnesses the one true religion? NO! Now that I do know for sure!!!!
I was at the same stage for a few months after i woke up. Im in a good place now with my own beliefs, i hope your family wake up eventually.
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Approximately how many JW have left permanently?
by longgone in
1. jw
2. friends
i did try a search before posting this question and found nothing current.

pew research -2016 says approximately two thirds of those born into the religion in the united states alone, no longer consider themselves as members.

(sorry, still don't know how to link, but it's an easy google search.).
pale.emperor

According to the exJW reddit, they use a term called "the 33% club":
The 33% club does not refer to born-ins. 33% is the number of all Jehovah's Witnesses who ultimately leave the religion, whether they are born-ins, converts or whatever. 33% of all Jehovah's Witnesses ultimately leave the religion. There is some confusion about born-ins, because (oddly) 33% also applies to them, but not in the same way. Only 33% of born-ins stay in the religion (67% of them leave) - so as you can see, this is the opposite of what the trophy is about!
As regards to there being more former members than active members, i think it's more likely there being more ex-members since the religions inception than there are active members today. So more people have left than joined.