Posts by pale.emperor

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

I think religion tries to have the monopoly on morality. I have my own morality and i see some very immoral things that YHWH did in the bible. If he were a human being on earth he'd be worse that Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler.

However, there are things that many religions called immoral that i personally have no problem with.

Perhaps there's an evolutionary answer for this, protecting myself and my genes and my offspring obviously ensures the survival of my genes. The means of doing so may be considered immoral by some people.

Killing someone who's trying to kill me? I say moral. Bible says immoral.

Stoning someone to death for picking up sticks on Saturday? I say immoral. Bible says moral.

We certainly shouldn't be getting our morals from the Bible, Quran or L Ron Hubbard.

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Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching

by Jules Saturn in

so this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.

to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.

david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.

pale.emperor

I was still a JW when this came out, surprisingly, no one in the KH seemed to even notice that this is a major doctrinal change and they just went "meh..." and went along with it.

As i understand it, as a kid i was taught that the big A would definitely come before 2000 because it'll come before the anointed die, and they were all chose in 1914, and they wern't baptized as kids, they were grown up. And there's only a few left.

Then the unthinkable happened.... they all died.

Then the new teaching is that Jehovah was still anointing people during the lifetime of the 1914 group, so those who were anointed during the lifetime of the last of the 1914 group to die will still count towards the generation Jesus was talking about.

Now all they have to do is take out their bibles and show us where that's what Jesus evidently meant, and that his apostles understood that.

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First posting on here..Hello all

by London Underground in

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just wanted to say a big hello to everyone, my first post on here was actually yesterday but it was deleted.. so will keep this one short to save my precious time just in case its also deleted or lost.. got fed up with years of persecution from within the congregations.

the lack of genuine friendship & lack of 'christian love'.

having personally seen many a scandalous behaviour i began doing some research online some years ago.

pale.emperor

Accessing from Liverpool here. Welcome to the site mate.

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Not A Day Goes By Without Me Thinking About Watchtower

by pale.emperor in

although i consider myself completely "cured" from watchtower brainwashing, guilt tripping and propaganda, i realised today that there's not a day that goes by without me thinking of the cult we left.

i think of my former family and what i'd like to say to them, what i'd try to explain and how i'd say it without them switching the "ignore" button and running away.. today on my instagram account my little step-brother "liked" a picture i posted.

i didn't even know he was still on my friends list.

pale.emperor

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

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If Jesus was on the earth today, would he be asked to shave before he'd be allowed to give a talk on the platform?

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Can a Governing Body member be taken task and called to a Judicial Committee by the body of elders?

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Referring to the anointed who partake of the emblems, Watchtower have said:

The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Therefore, the number of partakers does not accurately indicate the number of anointed ones left on earth." Watchtower 2016 Jan study ed pp.25-26

With that in mind, could the governing body be mistaken in thinking that they're anointed? Would we ever know if they really were? If they're not anointed, should they even be on the governing body?

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The Governing Body admit that they are "neither inspired nor infallible" [Watchtower Feb 2017]. Isnt this also true of The Pope? The Archbishop of Canterbury? Thomas S Monson of The Latter Day Saints? The Dalai Lama? You and me?

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How do we know that all this new light is not just apostasy?

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Out of the world, into the Truth

by apalro in

for some background - i studied on & off as a child with a jehovah's witness who has been patiently working on lots of our family for more than a decade and never gave up on any of us.

as a middle-schooler and a highschooler, my love for jehovah and any association with my childhoood bible teacher... faded.

disappeared.

pale.emperor

I wish you all the best and i hope you find what you're looking for.

Although...

Nobody ever made me feel small or guilty about being a 20 year old with a child out of wedlock. Not ever. They all welcomed me and my child. They were warm, loving and supportive.

you do realize that's because you're not a JW right? Have a child out of wedlock as a baptized JW and see how loving they treat you then.

But, sincerely, i hope you live a happy, fulfilling life free from guilt and worry. I doubt you'll get that in "the truth™" though.

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Looking for quote re: gay rights 1973-1974 WT/Awake

by cabasilas in

i remembered recently an article i read in a watchtower or awake!

about 1973 or 1974. a woman gave her story of how she had rejected the fight for women's rights (it may have used the term women's lib or liberation) and became a jw.

she lived in nyc and i actually met her briefly when i was at bethel.

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I could see that Jehovah’s witnesses believe that the smashing of this system by God is near and that soon now deserving humankind will be preserved into a righteous new order.

That sentence was written 43 years ago. If that woman was 25 at the time, she'd be 68 now. What a waste of a life. Meanwhile, feminism has actually achieved quite a lot since the 70s, at least in the western world.

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Not A Day Goes By Without Me Thinking About Watchtower

by pale.emperor in

although i consider myself completely "cured" from watchtower brainwashing, guilt tripping and propaganda, i realised today that there's not a day that goes by without me thinking of the cult we left.

i think of my former family and what i'd like to say to them, what i'd try to explain and how i'd say it without them switching the "ignore" button and running away.. today on my instagram account my little step-brother "liked" a picture i posted.

i didn't even know he was still on my friends list.

pale.emperor

Although I consider myself completely "cured" from Watchtower brainwashing, guilt tripping and propaganda, I realised today that there's not a day that goes by without me thinking of the cult we left. I think of my former family and what I'd like to say to them, what I'd try to explain and how I'd say it without them switching the "ignore" button and running away.

Today on my Instagram account my little step-brother "liked" a picture I posted. I didn't even know he was still on my friends list. 5 mins later, the like was gone and he had "unfriended" me. I think what's happened is he's liked the pic, shown my mum, and then she's told him off and told him to block me. It's sad. He's only 13 but I've known him since he was 9 months old and we were very close.

Little things like that remind me that we belonged to a destructive cult. Destructive, not in a violent sense, but destructive in that it will break up the family unit. It'll pervert all that is natural and loving in a family and put itself to the fore. The cult comes before love, before blood ties, before anyone.

So you see I can't ever not think about Watchtower, not while it's still influencing my former family and reminding me all the time that it still has them.

Not a day goes by...

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Going To The Meetings Because You Were Obligated To

by minimus in

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do you remember going to the meetings because you had to??

there were times when you were sick or definitely under the weather or perhaps you were exhausted physically and or mentally, and you were still required to go to the meetings!

even during inclement weather you had to go.

pale.emperor

Oh yes!

Even when i was married, my then-wife and i would go even though we didnt want to, or had other things on our minds. But we went because if we didnt we'd get called from our parents asking why we wernt there. And after a few meetings elders would call.

It was easier to just go to the meeting, sit there thinking of something else, counting the minutes down until you can leave again.

Waste of time. So glad it's all history.

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What is the latest trend in jw land

by bola in

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i want to know the latest trend in jw land.

after i have disassociated from jw land last year, now my father has forced me to write a reinstatement letter.

and i will soon be reinstated back very soon because those cult elders will meet with me.

pale.emperor

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