Posts by pale.emperor

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The Constant Mindchatter After You Leave

by pale.emperor in

i've been out almost 2 years now and consider myself wide awake to watchtower propaganda and well on my way to recovery from the mental abuse we've all experienced.. one thing that just will not go is that i constantly think of jwism and watchtower and get myself all annoyed at their lies and blatant twisting of facts in their broadcasts and magazines.

it's so bad that it's the first thing i think of when i wake up, then i have these mental arguments in my head proving the jw teachings false and then getting annoyed because no jw will listen even if you tried to tell them.

i call this constant thinking and mental reasoning and mental arguing "mindchatter".

pale.emperor

Dubstepped - I'd love to :)

May I ask, where do you find peace of mind and comfort? Have you replaced the JWs with something healthy, not necessarily spiritual, but whatever void the JWs filled for you, do you get those needs fulfilled somewhere else (if you were a JW for a reason, not a born-in)?

When i first left i just enjoyed free Thursday evenings and free weekends. I lived a libertine lifestyle for a while and looked into things that were previously verboten. It allowed me to see who i really am and what my personal morals are. It wasn't easy and wasn't always pleasant confronting deep held beliefs and trying to understand if this really was my own belief or was it instilled in me? I studied other religions and philosophies objectively and took on board things i thought were useful and discarded them if they proved harmful or useless. In my search for rationality and pure truth of the world around me, it meant that my views on the origin of humans, abortion, the death penalty, treatment of homosexuals etc all got scrutinized to a high degree.

I find comfort in the fact that it's a miracle i was even born, so i just try to enjoy everything and try everything i want to try. I have a lot of interests and hobbies (too many to pursue entirely) such as photography, languages, music and writing.

My philosophy of life and the way i live is influenced by some Buddhist, some La Vayan Satanist, and general "live and let" live attitude. I now have my own personal morals and i dont force them or preach them on others.

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The Constant Mindchatter After You Leave

by pale.emperor in

i've been out almost 2 years now and consider myself wide awake to watchtower propaganda and well on my way to recovery from the mental abuse we've all experienced.. one thing that just will not go is that i constantly think of jwism and watchtower and get myself all annoyed at their lies and blatant twisting of facts in their broadcasts and magazines.

it's so bad that it's the first thing i think of when i wake up, then i have these mental arguments in my head proving the jw teachings false and then getting annoyed because no jw will listen even if you tried to tell them.

i call this constant thinking and mental reasoning and mental arguing "mindchatter".

pale.emperor

Thanks guys.

What are you studying btw?

Im studying Psychology with counseling - the goal is to be a therapist for ex-cult members and for anything i write (when i eventually get round to writing a book) has some real credence when JWs come to criticize it.

I think you're right. I do need to take a break from here. But i do enjoy coming here and sharing.

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The Constant Mindchatter After You Leave

by pale.emperor in

i've been out almost 2 years now and consider myself wide awake to watchtower propaganda and well on my way to recovery from the mental abuse we've all experienced.. one thing that just will not go is that i constantly think of jwism and watchtower and get myself all annoyed at their lies and blatant twisting of facts in their broadcasts and magazines.

it's so bad that it's the first thing i think of when i wake up, then i have these mental arguments in my head proving the jw teachings false and then getting annoyed because no jw will listen even if you tried to tell them.

i call this constant thinking and mental reasoning and mental arguing "mindchatter".

pale.emperor

Hi everyone. I've been out almost 2 years now and consider myself wide awake to Watchtower propaganda and well on my way to recovery from the mental abuse we've all experienced.

One thing that just will not go is that i constantly think of JWism and Watchtower and get myself all annoyed at their lies and blatant twisting of facts in their broadcasts and magazines. It's so bad that it's the first thing i think of when i wake up, then i have these mental arguments in my head proving the JW teachings false and then getting annoyed because no JW will listen even if you tried to tell them. I call this constant thinking and mental reasoning and mental arguing "mindchatter". I just cant turn it off.

I read in psychology that the reason we sometimes get a song stuck in our head is because we didnt hear the end of the song last time we heard it. That our brain doesnt like an unfinished thought so it plays the song over and over to get you to finish it. And that to get the song out of your head you should listen to the song all the way though or try to think of the end of the song. In a similar way i think that's whats happening here. I feel like i have unfinished business with the Watchtower society. That i need to take action to finally put an end to my life with them. But how? I enjoy watching Lloyd Evans rebuttals and i come on here everyday. But that's because nobody understands except us. My girlfriend finds the pillowgate trailer hilarious and when i explain the teachings of JWs she thinks they weird but that's as far as it goes. Whenever i talk about my past or my childhood i have to explain backstory first like the JW terminology or what Bethel is etc. But when i talk to you guys i dont have to do that. Yesterday she laughed and commented how i mention my old religion literally everyday in conversation. But that's because 31 years of my life WAS JWism. It coloured and influenced literally every thought, action and decision since i was born.

I wish i could just move on from this JW crap and live a life without thinking about it. But just when i think im making real progress there's a fucking JW cart on the street corner or outside the store im going in and the title of the magazine they're holding out makes me want to approach and debunk them.

Sorry for the rant. Today the mindchatter is stronger than usual.

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Lurkers

by Freedom rocks in

do you think elders and gb members monitor this site to catch people?.

pale.emperor

I was outed by my posts on here. But it wasnt someone reading it and figuring out it was me, it was my sister-in-law using my computer while she was babysitting my daughter and going out of her way to check my internet history.

To be honest, im amazed she never found the huge collection of online porn.

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Wow , it’s all so very clear -

by CovertsadJW in

the late great christopher hitchens states that religion is poison and i believe that with my soul.

we are “ born sick and commanded to be well.” under threat of death- both of my parents were abused both physically and emotionally, my wife was what it sounds like verbally abused - the strange part is they don’t see that they are attached to a very abusive religion.

thoughts ?

pale.emperor

I think religion is a cancer on humankind.

We're told that we're not perfect the way we are, or given a fear or hell or destruction or that of our loved ones. And the only way to escape it is to allow yourself to be enslaved by Jesus or Allah or someother so-call god. It's a con. If religions were taxed we could wipe out the national debt overnight.

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Lack of young people in the congregation?

by IAmJustMe in

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friends

been baptized for two years but being in the truth for longer.

one thing i have always noticed is the lack of young people in the congregation.

does anyone feel the same ?.

pale.emperor

In the congregation i grew up in there were lots of families with kids. A total of 35 young ones aged 4-12yo.

Of those 35 only 10 are JWs today. Some didnt even get baptized. Others faded or were DF'd or DA'd.

That's a 68.5% loss of young ones. If this were a business like Coca Cola or McDonalds they'd be firing the directors and bringing in educated people.

Unfortunately, Coca Cola and McDonalds actually care about quality and customer satisfaction... unlike Watchtower.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

pale.emperor

Unfortunately, 99% of JWs wont see this as it's a Bethel newbies video. Most will claim it doesnt exist.

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Governments should not under-estimate the potential danger-health that the G.B.pose for the community of Jehovah`s Witnesses

by smiddy3 in

at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

its not such a big stretch of the imagination to think that jim jones or david koresh used such reasoning to convince their followers to do what they did, to have absolute faith in what they were saying was from god.

pale.emperor

A chilling quote from my mother. She used to say all the time:

If the Watchtower magazine said that the sky is green, then our eyes are wrong and it is green.

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Pillowgate - John Cedars

by CitizenofEarth in

is this true?

is this really true?!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirjv48c55m.

pale.emperor

While so funny; its really sad-I mean not one JW is taught how to grow up and address his or her sexuality in a health, non destructive way. We are taught to suppress , sex is dirty, desire is dirty, that leads to all kinds of problems. Just stack this on top of all the other controlling behavior and Wow thats all I can say.

I dont know about anyone else but i was a heavy porn user in my JW days.

As soon as i left my porn used dropped dramatically... because i started dating girls "properly".

What do they expect? Not only is sex before marriage banned but masturbation too? There cant be many single JW brothers who dont masturbate. There's two 35yo brothers in my old congregation who are popular, goodlooking, have dated in the past but are still single. They must have some high quality pillows.

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How to Argue for Creationism

by cofty in

all creationist arguments follow an identical pattern.. first a quick way to remember the format - 'complexity, complexity, complexity; therefore god'.. now a more detailed guide to formulating an argument.. identify some complex feature of the natural world.

a quick google search or nature documentary will quickly provide inspiration.

creationist websites have hundreds of them you can copy-paste without attribution.. do no research at all on what is currently known about the evolutionary history of this feature.

pale.emperor

My favorite creationist arguments include:

If we came from monkeys, why do we still have monkeys?

If you put all the components of an iPhone into a blender and switch it on, it's not going to make an iPhone

If you were walking along a beach and found a slab of stone that had JOHN JONES WAS HERE 1892 you wouldn't say that it was carved in there by natural occurrence or by chance.

Science has been wrong before.

Isaac Newton believed in God!

But it's only a theory.

Oh, yeah, i suppose it "just happened"?

I do believe in science... and God is the greatest scientist.

There are laws of thermodynamics, laws of physics, laws of gravity... so who put those laws in place?

Annoying isnt it?