Posts by pale.emperor

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Dec 2018 Watchtower Third Heaven & Paradise

by Listener in

a qfr in the watchtower asks ".

n what sense was the apostle paul “caught away to the third heaven” and “into paradise”?—2 cor.

they've been flip flopping regarding this, stating that it is paul talking about himself to paul talking about the congregation and back again to paul talking about himself.it appears that three years ago david splane gave a talk during the convention explaining their latest ideas and it has taken all this time for it to get into print.

pale.emperor

From Wikipedia:

New Testament
In 2 Corinthians Paul the Apostle writes, "I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows. And I know that such a person—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows—was caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat."[6] According to E. W. Bullinger, the Greek says "caught away", not "caught up" possibly reflecting Jewish beliefs that Paradise was somewhere other than the uppermost heaven.[7]
Ideas about the system of "heavens" held by Jews and Christians in first-century communities are also evident in the non-canonical Second Book of Enoch (see previous section).
New Testament apocrypha
According to the Apocalypse of James,[8] John the Baptist dwells in the Third Heaven.

It seems Paul was familiar with, and believed in, the apocryphal book of Enoch. The idea of heaven and paradise being the same thing makes much more sense to me without Watchtower goggles on. According to Islam, each level of heaven is made of different things, the third heaven being made of pearl.

Interesting. Complete bullshit, but interesting.

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Dec 2018 Watchtower Third Heaven & Paradise

by Listener in

a qfr in the watchtower asks ".

n what sense was the apostle paul “caught away to the third heaven” and “into paradise”?—2 cor.

they've been flip flopping regarding this, stating that it is paul talking about himself to paul talking about the congregation and back again to paul talking about himself.it appears that three years ago david splane gave a talk during the convention explaining their latest ideas and it has taken all this time for it to get into print.

pale.emperor

...they would go direct to the Seventh Heaven where they would have a permanent erection and be serviced by 72 young girls (and boys) who's virginity would be miraculously restored every day.

I dont know why Jihadists would want 72 virgins. Sex with a virgin isnt a prize, it's horrible.

Give me two fire-breathing whores anyday of the week!

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Bumped Into One Of My Best Friends On The Carts This Morning

by pale.emperor in

so this morning i'm walking to my office and there's the jws on their carts outside as usual.

and old sister, a brother in his 20s and an elder i instantly recognized from my jw days.

one of my best friends of about 20 years.. i genuinely just wanted to say hi as i havent seen him in 3 years.

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I keep replaying the scene in my mind. His knee-jerk reaction to seeing me was between fear and hate. But then I know that's how they've been conditioned to feel about ex-members. That we "know it's the truth" but we're "bitter" or "hateful" to JWs. This was a very rare occasion where I genuinely wasn't going to talk about religion to a JW. I really was just glad to see him again.

I keep thinking of what I should have said and what I'd liked to have said. But I'll know for next time that no matter how close we were to a JW, even if we we're related - they just dont want to know.

Very sad indeed.

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For JWs Lurking Here: This Is How Your Governing Body Are Robbing You

by pale.emperor in

hello to all the active jehovah's witnesses lurking on here, or those having doubts.

seriously, i welcome you.. i was explaining to one of my friends recently about how the watchtower society uses it's members to make them money every day without them even realizing it.

unbelievable?

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And lets not forget PART 2 of the scam. "Lovingly cancelling all loans" that the congregations had with Bethel, but making them still pay the same amount as a "donation" each month indefinitely.

And those that didnt have a loan with Bethel were given slips to hand around asking how much they can give each month as a family.

Even the Mormons have the balls to at least call it a tithe.

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Bumped Into One Of My Best Friends On The Carts This Morning

by pale.emperor in

so this morning i'm walking to my office and there's the jws on their carts outside as usual.

and old sister, a brother in his 20s and an elder i instantly recognized from my jw days.

one of my best friends of about 20 years.. i genuinely just wanted to say hi as i havent seen him in 3 years.

pale.emperor

Wait wait back up the truck, your wife has a partner and your daughter lives with you? Ok I must of missed a thread you started. If not do tell!!

Alas, I dont post about my family or my old congregation anymore. The last time I did that someone complained that that's all I do. So I try to keep my posts about other things.

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Did the jw's leadership ever apologize for 1975?

by dugout in

jw
friends

talking to my friend who's an elder, when i asked him did the leadership ever attempt to apologize for the 1975 prediction fiasco he said they did.

and he was going to show me.

i'm still waiting..................................................tic toc did they???

pale.emperor

DOC, I've been guilty of number 4 a few times.

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Did the jw's leadership ever apologize for 1975?

by dugout in

jw
friends

talking to my friend who's an elder, when i asked him did the leadership ever attempt to apologize for the 1975 prediction fiasco he said they did.

and he was going to show me.

i'm still waiting..................................................tic toc did they???

pale.emperor

I think this is the closest to an admission and an apology that we're going to see.

Notice how these statements were "published"... who published them Mr Watchtower? Remind us???

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For JWs Lurking Here: This Is How Your Governing Body Are Robbing You

by pale.emperor in

hello to all the active jehovah's witnesses lurking on here, or those having doubts.

seriously, i welcome you.. i was explaining to one of my friends recently about how the watchtower society uses it's members to make them money every day without them even realizing it.

unbelievable?

pale.emperor

Hello to all the active Jehovah's Witnesses lurking on here, or those having doubts.

Seriously, I welcome you.

I was explaining to one of my friends recently about how the Watchtower society uses it's members to make them money every day without them even realizing it. Unbelievable? Then let me explain...

Imagine you need a new Kingdom Hall. Your congregation saves and saves and finally they have the money to build a Kingdom Hall. Let's say about £90,000.

They find the land and the Watchtower society send them the approved plans on how they would like the hall to look. Then, they buy the materials and they start building.

Who does the building? - You do! Yes, it's all very jolly, encouraging and up-building but it's also hard work. Why, finally, even the sisters can do something the men do!

As this is going on, food is provided for the workers. Who buys and prepares the food? - You do!

As you're not paid workers, you're not employees - therefore if you hurt yourself in any way you're not entitled to make a claim against the Watchtower society. Oh, and the medical staff on site? Yes, they're JWs too and are there for free too (volunteers).

The Kingdom Hall is finally built. Hooray!

Then a few years later, your Governing Body tell you to merge halls with another congregation. And they sell the Kingdom Hall you built. Who gets the money? - Not you! Not your congregation who actually provided the money and did all the work and upkeep... no, it goes to the Watchtower society.

So you move into another congregation, and you're told to like it. And if you dont like it you're labelled as "causing divisions".

Remember this video from the 2018 convention?

Whether is makes sense or not, im going to support that arrangement.

There's a reason they want you to just put up and shut up and not ask questions.

Because they're fleecing you...

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Creation, evolution, ???

by Freedom rocks in

was on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.

the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.

his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.

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Or you can reject his offer, argue about the severity of a death penalty for sin, etc.

Oh I'm all for a big of girl-on-girl lust, god needs to take a look at himself.

This the same god that sanctions killing babies, stoning, slavery and child rape. I seem to have higher morals. So let it be known here and now I that i do reject his "offer".

Be his slave or burn? - sounds like quite the tyrant.

Dinosaur bones aside, if his best evidence is providing a book of fairy tales that contradict eachother then he aint no god I'd want to know.

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Bumped Into One Of My Best Friends On The Carts This Morning

by pale.emperor in

so this morning i'm walking to my office and there's the jws on their carts outside as usual.

and old sister, a brother in his 20s and an elder i instantly recognized from my jw days.

one of my best friends of about 20 years.. i genuinely just wanted to say hi as i havent seen him in 3 years.

pale.emperor

Oh, and i forgot to add, the Awake! magazine he was holding was called "12 Secrets Of Successful Families".

Irony overload.