Posts by pale.emperor

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BS stories in the publications

by Billzfan23 in

this is an example of a story that just strikes me as funny from their publications:.

"wilson, a christian from ghana, was notified that in a few days, he would be fired from his job.

on his final day at work, he was assigned to wash the private car of the managing director of the company.

pale.emperor

It's a good thing Stephen Lett wasn't there, he would have put it in the contribution box!

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JW's Would Stay With The Org Even If 1914 Was Dropped

by pale.emperor in

i asked the question on quora: .

if the governing body abandoned the 1914 teaching, would you leave jehovah's witnesses or you would remain a member regardless?.

https://www.quora.com/if-the-governing-body-abandoned-the-1914-teaching-would-you-leave-jehovahs-witnesses-or-you-would-remain-a-member-regardless.

Let's be honest, when we were in the majority of us couldn't explain 1914 in our own words. It took a Watchtower magazine and a bible and flipping back and forth between scriptures - try doing that with someone on the door, they'd close the door in your face.

I tried many times to research it and understand it but just gave up in the end. I reasoned that "it must be true otherwise 8 million people wouldn't go along with it".

Well clearly I was wrong because that's precisely whats happening.

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JW's Would Stay With The Org Even If 1914 Was Dropped

by pale.emperor in

i asked the question on quora: .

if the governing body abandoned the 1914 teaching, would you leave jehovah's witnesses or you would remain a member regardless?.

https://www.quora.com/if-the-governing-body-abandoned-the-1914-teaching-would-you-leave-jehovahs-witnesses-or-you-would-remain-a-member-regardless.

pale.emperor

I asked the question on Quora:

If the governing body abandoned the 1914 teaching, would you leave Jehovah's Witnesses or you would remain a member regardless?

https://www.quora.com/If-the-governing-body-abandoned-the-1914-teaching-would-you-leave-Jehovahs-Witnesses-or-you-would-remain-a-member-regardless

Their replies were unanimous. They'd still stay with the org!

I would absolutely NOT abandon my faith. - Ben Gordon Burns

I’ll stick with Jehovah God and whatever organization - Brandon Wilson

There have been many adjustments to our understanding of the scriptures. People have been taught lies for centuries. - Mary Crosby

I would remain with Jehovah’s Witnesses, because I appreciate being in a religion that changes a belief when they realize that it’s wrong. - Sam Thorne

I would stay a Jehovah's witness for as long as it had Jehovah's blessing. - Mick Tunbridge.

It was only Edward Smith who refused to beleive that they'd even do it.

Not going to happen. - Edward Smith

I guess Edward will have a hard time with cognitive dissonance when the time comes.

The cornerstone of the entire belief system was always 1914. Now it seems the emotional attachment is more stronger than pesky facts.

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More Info on the Montana Sex Abuse Decision

by berrygerry in

courtesy of a redditor:.

https://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/montana-jehovah-s-witness-sex-abuse-case-underscores-church-s/article_fddc41e5-536b-5843-af30-200cc14892d8.html.

montana jehovah's witness sex abuse case underscores church's worldwide reckoning.

pale.emperor

It still makes me sick even now when the JW's will call the Catholic church on it's pedophile priests and their policy of covering up and moving them from church to church.

Pot, meet kettle.

Thanks for sharing. This was an informative read.

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Funeral/Memorial at the Kingdom Hall ... Would you go?

by Wild_Thing in

jw
friends

let's say an aunt or uncle dies.

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let's say you barely knew them.. let's say their memorial service was held at the kingdom hall.. let's say if you attend, you have to deal with shunning from family and jws, and you are forced listen to them present their paradise promotional materials, and the dead person's "earthly hope™", and let's face it ... the heeby-jeebies of having to be in a kingdom hall again.. would you put yourself through it?

pale.emperor

I'll never set foot in a Kingdom Hall again.

You can take that to the bank. I dont care if it's a funeral, a wedding, a memorial...

It

will

NEVER

happen.

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question about the go bags.

by goingthruthemotions in

its been a minute since posting, have been trying to put this cult in my review mirror and just live life.

but you know this beast rears it's evil head.

my wife found my crisis of conscience book and out came the horns plus i guess what she is hearing at the meetings isn't helping either.

pale.emperor

I remember back in 2008 when I was dating the woman who I'd later marry. Whenever I'd stay over at her parents house I'd be in the spare room which was literally a stockpile on bags of pasta, rice, tinned food and bottled water.

10 years later, the world is still here and all that food must have gone off by now.

Some entrepreneurial JW nut is even selling go bags to JWs on his website.

https://www.ministrygallery.com/go-bag/#null

I love how, on their offical website, on a list of essential items the bible is even on there... right at the bottom.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no5-2017-october/disaster-steps-that-can-save-lives/

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wt and charitable works.

by zeb in

my wife (uber) mentioned today an elderly man who comes to the kh and he suffers from a sever stomach complaint which needs surgery and that there is a 'waiting list' at the local hospital.. so i says, "why dont the elders put the $$ together to get his op done privately.

" (ie out of the govt system and 'waiting lists').

her answer was telling.

pale.emperor

Back in the late 60s the mags even resorted to slandering the motives and character of any Jehovah’s Witnesses who do give to charity, claiming that they’re trying to cover up a guilty conscience.

"If there is any material giving, to charities for instance, it is because there is need to salve a conscience, or because one's reputation is at stake." - Watchtower 1969 May 1 p.280

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Saw homemade "Cart art" and murmurs about cart working yesterday.To old to do cart work?

by caves in

yesterday i parked at a rest stop for a bit and there were 2 ladys at a cart.

the cart sign was hand painted.

that was odd to me.

pale.emperor

neat blue dog: Some of the new cart art designs are simplistic, blocky renderings of previous artwork, (edited in the computer to look that way) and could be mistaken for crude artwork. Just a guess.
I was wondering if anyone else had noticed paintings were becoming passé. Sometimes old paintings get reused, but comic book style illustrations appear to be "in" right now.

Yh I've noticed that the artwork seems to look like a paint-by-numbers job nowadays.

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Overwhelmed

by Freedom rocks in

does anyone else feel overwhelmed on what to believe?.

i've been doing lots of research on beliefs, evolution, creationism but i feel no further forward about what i truly believe.

for example i looked at the fossil record and tiktaalic and thought great it proves a lot but then i've seen counter arguments on youtube of people basically saying its a load of rubbish and doesn't prove anything.

pale.emperor

Perry, can you tell me why this god of yours created the guinea worm? A creature who's sole life purpose is to bury itself into the eyesballs of cattle and children and make them blind by eating the eyeball from the inside out?

Or how about cancer? What's the purpose of this "creation"? The little girl born with bone cancer which, apparently, your god created?

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Overwhelmed

by Freedom rocks in

does anyone else feel overwhelmed on what to believe?.

i've been doing lots of research on beliefs, evolution, creationism but i feel no further forward about what i truly believe.

for example i looked at the fossil record and tiktaalic and thought great it proves a lot but then i've seen counter arguments on youtube of people basically saying its a load of rubbish and doesn't prove anything.

pale.emperor

I feel it wise not to fall in the Watchtower trap of ever thinking we have "the truth". I live my life using evidence presented to me, if something better comes along I'll consider it and if it works go with it. My worldview is basically a model I use to navigate through the world around me.

This idea that we need to know "the truth" is the reason we have religion in the first place. Bronze age man see's a rainbow and so believes a man in the sky put it there as a promise not to bring a flood.

Now that we know about light particles being refracted through water vapor the bronze age explanation sounds like something a child would say, yet 8 million JWs actually believe the rainbow story.

Rather than worrying about what we believe, try to be comfortable with the fact that you will go on learning everyday. In 10 years we'll probably look back on today and laugh at some of the things we once thought. Especially medically. But this is actually a wonderful thing - not being content with "just believing" something, if we keep testing, questioning and trying we'll keep discovering new things.