Posts by pale.emperor

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Business class for Governing Body

by Sergey Antonov in

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friends

hello everyone!

does anyone have any confirmation that the governing body uses the business class for its flights?.

also interesting is the information about the hours that were on the hand of one of the members of the governing body..

pale.emperor

It doesnt surprise me at all. But then, at least they dont own their own jet (yet).

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Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

by atomant in

lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

pale.emperor

It gets worse dear lurkers reading this.

Official Watchtower theology teaches that the New Testament is written only for the 144,000!! The best us lowly folk can do is read it and admire it.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/201201/bible-written-anointed

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As The Watchtower Corporation Faces One Crisis After Another, What Will The Governing Body Members Do?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i foresee great a very tumultuous road ahead for our dearly beloved governing body, or god(guardians of doctrine).

they need a much more flexible approach to these problems, instead of being narrow mindedly ridged, which seems to be almost impossible for these hyper brain washed fools for corporate jehovah.. looks like am#3 will be the most inflexible since he and corporate jehovah seems to know what each other is thinking and feeling, iow am#3 really thinks he can read jehovah mind that why we affectionately call him tight pants tony, he's probably a closet gay that gets real excited by nice looking brothers in tight pants, and perhaps a camel toe or two has caught his gaze(must keep those things hidden).

i don't see him ever jumping ship he looks like he will ride the watchtower vessel to the bottom of the ocean.. will some future events lead to a big deflection in governing body loyalties?

pale.emperor

It's only a matter of time before Mrs Morris pops her clogs and AM#3 will go sniffing for a nice 19yo sister (or brother) to keep his apartment clean.

If it's good enough for Rutherford it's good enough for Tony.

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Elder Is Dodgy Used Car Salesman

by pale.emperor in

just thought i'd relate this story for any lurkers out there.. here in the north west of england there's an elder called george ashton.

the ashton's are a big family, most of the men are appointed as elders or at least min servants.

george owns a used car dealership and almost all jws in liverpool looking for a car have heard of him.

pale.emperor

Just thought I'd relate this story for any lurkers out there.

Here in the North West of England there's an elder called George Ashton. The Ashton's are a big family, most of the men are appointed as elders or at least min servants. George owns a used car dealership and almost all JWs in Liverpool looking for a car have heard of him. Most of his business is from word of mouth from other JWs because, hey, a JW elder wouldn't rip you off right? Right???

Except George would.

In fact, George does. Habitually.

I remember when my sister passed her driving test and was looking for a car, it was as if "Jehovah guided things" and like magic she was handed a business card from another JW referring her to George Ashton in another congregation. My sister turns up to his dealership. He sells her a car for about £700. Great. What could possibly go wrong?

The car breaks down two days after she bought it. The breaks are dodgy. There's rust in the joints of one of the doors. Sometimes it just refuses to start.

So she takes it to a mechanic, it fails it's MOT. The mechanic advises her to sell it for scrap and asks when she bought it... "two days ago".

So she goes back to George Ashton (the elder), and explains the situation and can she have either her money back or a different car and he scrap the one he sold her? He hit's the roof and claims to be offended and it's not his problem.

So she's lost her money and is left with a write off of a car. She tells this story to her friends. One brother from another congregation calls her one day and relates a similar story and says "people in my cong have a saying "you do not buy a car from George Ashton"".

Anyway, the elders get to hear about it and guess what - my sister is counseled for accusing this man, this "gift in men" of being a crook. She's offered a study (she baptized!) and told not to tell people about her experience as it could put Jehovah's organization in a bad light.

This was about 6 years ago but he's still in business here in the North West.

So, lurkers in England beware. George Ashton is a crook who makes money off the fact the no JW will report him to police.

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How Did The Elders Treat You?

by minimus in

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friends

did you get along with them?

did you ever incur their wrath?

most jws want to be “friends “ with the elders, kind of like having a policeman that you know who might help you out if you are in need..

pale.emperor

One elder in particular I remember. He was Knick named “ Charles the hit man Glendening”.

Where was this Joe? There's Glendenings here in Liverpool too.

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How Did The Elders Treat You?

by minimus in

jw
friends

did you get along with them?

did you ever incur their wrath?

most jws want to be “friends “ with the elders, kind of like having a policeman that you know who might help you out if you are in need..

pale.emperor

Growing up my mother idolized elders and their families. Whenever I was dating the girl always happened to be an elders daughter (maybe subconsciously I thought they were better?) and my mum would be so proud telling everyone I'm dating an elders daughter. She'd invite elders and especially the CO for lunch at every opportunity. My dad was a lowly Ministerial Servant, not quite "a gift in men" just yet.

I remember whatever an elder or elders wife said, would trump anything we personally thought. One time my mum threw away some toys I had called Crash Dummies because an elders wife said she didnt like the look of them.

Growing up I never trusted elders. They were on another plain entirely. Their families were all friends and had their own parties. It was a boys club where their kids would all know eachother and other elders families around the circuit.

When I got married (to an elders daughter) it was horrible. Her dad had to know everything that we did and would interfere and treat us like kids. Of course he'd then tell the other elders, who'd tell their wives and kids etc.

So in my house we had a number one rule: Don't tell elders anything.

Unfortunately, I'd find out later that this was a rule only I kept.

Thinking back, there have been only 3 elders I thought were genuinely nice people. One of them has since turned out to be an asshole (referred to here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5552172348473344/bumped-into-one-my-best-friends-on-carts-this-morning), another has since died.

It seems that in 99.9999999999% of cases, the criteria to be an elder is that you must be an asshole and friends with other elders.

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Family is now reaping what they sowed and they don't like it.

by Gemmel in

i resigned from the jw's in my 20's over 30 years ago, i was immediately shunned by my entire family and it's remained that way with a few exceptions ever since.

one of those exceptions was being contacted by a cousin a few years back and during that conversation i discovered that my mother had been and still was the prime mover in my complete and continuing shunning.

i then used what contacts i had left to confirm it.

pale.emperor

As to what they are going to do about the care needed by their mother I don't really care. They stopped being my family by their decision 30+ years ago and I stopped mourning for the family I thought I knew years ago.

These are my own thoughts exactly.

I wonder what my mother will do when her 2nd husband dies (he's on his last legs), and she hits 70+. Will she rely on my paranoid schizophrenic brother to look after her? Or my sisters who live on the other side of the country?

Me and my other brother are "dead to her" (her words) - so i wonder if she expects in a "resurrection" when she needs financial help in a few decades.

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My Dad's Funeral

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

i had not seen my dad for 15 years because i had left the borg.

(i had been out 26 years but there was a few years when the jws permitted contact with outsiders and then changed their minds again).

they made contact with me again just before he was diagnosed with cancer.

pale.emperor

Sorry to hear about your experience. And my condolences for your father. Having to attend an occasion like a funeral with people that treat you like shit cant be easy and, as you've seen, JWs will just jump at the chance to make you feel worthless and guilty even at a funeral. It's what they do.

I don't think I will participate in any way when the inevitable happens. I'm dead to them, they're dead to me.

I wont be going to my mums funeral when she croaks it. There's very few JW family members that I would go for. One of my sisters and maybe my JW uncles but I just know I'd be glared at and on the receiving end of passive aggressive behaviour.

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I Got Very Stange JW Doorknocker Yesterday

by pale.emperor in

i had an ex-jw uncle of mine visiting me yesterday from another part of the country.

i usually only ever see him at weddings and funerals but we keep in touch on facebook.

we were catching up in my place with his wife when about an hour into the visit there's a knock on my door, this was about 4pm.. strange... the only people who ever knock without calling me first are the postman and my ex-wife.. i open the door and it's a face i recognize from my last congregation.

pale.emperor

Sounds like he is having doubts himself, thought maybe you could enlighten him.

Normally I would, but in this case I had guests. The days of me caring about JWs are over. If they want to wake up they need to go through the process like we all did - doubt, research, take action.

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I Got Very Stange JW Doorknocker Yesterday

by pale.emperor in

i had an ex-jw uncle of mine visiting me yesterday from another part of the country.

i usually only ever see him at weddings and funerals but we keep in touch on facebook.

we were catching up in my place with his wife when about an hour into the visit there's a knock on my door, this was about 4pm.. strange... the only people who ever knock without calling me first are the postman and my ex-wife.. i open the door and it's a face i recognize from my last congregation.

pale.emperor

I had an ex-JW uncle of mine visiting me yesterday from another part of the country. I usually only ever see him at weddings and funerals but we keep in touch on Facebook. We were catching up in my place with his wife when about an hour into the visit there's a knock on my door, this was about 4pm.

Strange... the only people who ever knock without calling me first are the postman and my ex-wife.

I open the door and it's a face I recognize from my last congregation. He's about 70yo and was one of those members that goes to the KH, sits at the back and never goes out in service. A loner.

Confused as I am I'm polite and warm to him. Then I notice that he's clearly drunk or something and he says "I know I'm not supposed to talk to you..."

I interrupted with "You can do what you want you're full grown man".

Then goes into a rambling rant about "the truth" and "the world" and "sticking to our decisions". He claimed that people in "the world" would slit your throat as soon as look at you. Also that he would never keep the kind of company that I keep.

Obviously I didn't want a visit like this but I couldn't resist the urge to debunk his views. I told him that doesn't make any sense. And he doesn't know the company I keep. He replied that he only has to look at people in the world and see what they're like. That someone last week was shot in the street.

By this point I'd remembered that this conversation is pointless and a waste of my time. So I politely told him that I have family here, that I wish him a good evening and began to close the door. He looked at me surprised and said "what family?!!" (because surely they should be shunning me).

I bid him farewell again and closed the door. From the window and seen him shrug to himself and walk away.

Very strange.

I'm tempted to write to the congregation telling them not to send any more drunk members to my home, but then I'm not actually bothered about getting him into trouble. Poor guy is probably turning to alcohol to survive being in a cult.