Posts by lastmanstanding

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander,

A load of nonsense.

BTW...

The clouds of heaven obscure or shut heaven from man's view.
Watchtology... (like I said.)

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander

Just to be clear, you are advocating that the below took place in the first century and is connected to Jerusalem. Good luck with that.

If you can’t see a “cause for concern” with that bunch of nonsense, then there’s no point talking.

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander.

You are just jumping around and making it up. Still too much Watchtology in your thesis.

And in doing so, you give fodder to them who make fun of believers

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander.

You avoided any mention of what I wrote, except to say you are not a Preterist.

That is illogical.

Now, you wrote above that "will never happen again" means a "one time event". That is logical.

I know, I wrote it.

I am not quoting it as are you. I know when I hear my own work that I have posted on many other sites over the years.

Jesus was very logical, and His logic is found in no better exchange than the one he had with the Jewish religious leaders that said He had a demon and that's how he did miracles. Jesus' logic is impeccable, how can Satan expel Satan, and how did the Jewish religious leaders do their miracles...

Logic.

To say...

"27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

... is something that happened in relation to the first century is illogical, nonsense.

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander;

So then, according to what you write, Jesus already came, with the angels, gathered the faithful, and we are just waiting for what… the Earth to be burnt,,,,

I am not ‘assuming’ something about “vivid language”. I am following a logical progression in Jesus’ discourse.

What you wrote is the foundation of Preterism, and it is rejected by the other half of searchers precisely because it relegates faith of present Christianity to the scrap heap… because we missed the boat.

At Mt 24:5 Jesus warns his disciples that false Christs will come. He is not repeating Himself about the same event at verse 23. Rather He begins the warning concerning the Last Days before His second coming with a similar warning about false Christs.

He changed topic, and this is what is missed by modern searchers. And as such, modern searchers apply things that deal with His second coming to Jerusalem. What confusion,

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander

Yes, verses 29-31 are impossible to attach to the first century destruction of Jerusalem. With good reason, that was Jesus describing His coming at Armageddon.
And with that description, He finished answering the second question.
In verse 32, Jesus began a juxtaposition. He compared the end of Jerusalem with the coming of the Son of Man.
About the fall of Jerusalem, Jesus went on to say...

32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door [OF JERUSALEM]. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation [HIS OWN GENERATION] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. [TO JERUSALEM] 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

And then He spoke to the coming of the Son of Man,

36 “But about that day or hour [ ARMAGEDDON ] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Quite simple actually. About Jerusalem's destruction they were given a sign, for they had to take action, flight from Jerusalem.

In contrast, there will be NO WARNING of His second coming.

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander, I went and looked, it's been awhile. Thus begins Jesus' answer to the second question "and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Matthew 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

This describes perfectly organizations such as Watchtower. They claim their 'works' are signs and they try to deceive even those who are chosen.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

Again, Watchtower has actually taught this as doctrine. He is "invisible" in the "wilderness" and an "inner room(s).

27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Jesus contrasts the false teachings with the truth concerning His coming. Instead of a secret, invisible, "inner room" in the "wilderness", it will be so intense such that nobody will miss it, it will be unmistakable.

28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

The gathering of the elect or chosen explained in the context of the Second Coming.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Jesus will black out the sky, He will turn out the lights. See if mankind can ignore it.
Indeed it must be this way, as the Father gives His son due glory, and all Earth must know.

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

Vander, very good. However, that said, Jesus did go on to answer the second question that pertains to the coming of the Son of Man. I believe it happens at Mt 24:17 and Jesus carefully pivots the discussion.

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

lastmanstanding

There's as many scripture twistings in this thread as in the watchtower rag.

The wars and natural event described in the Olivet Discourse, Mt 24, Lu 21, Mark 13 are normal things, and it was in reference to the Jews in the first century that Jesus was speaking to. The things Jesus talked about were not a "sign" but rather an 'anti-sign', things to be ignored.

The actual sign of the Son of Man is the darkening of the sky in its entirety. Literally. Black sky. As if it was "rolled up".

It's gonna get your attention like the MC turning off the lights at your wedding to get everyone to shut up.

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Badge of honor - for apostasy!

by Vidqun in

today, i have attended my jc meeting, courtesy of three local elders.

all three had their "shepherd"-books on their laps.

i carefully and meticulously proved to them that their interpretation of dan.

lastmanstanding

I am amazed also at the number of those who become non-believers but equally amazed at those who accept trinitarianismismismism.

That's a lot of ism.

I feel, if the dubs did anything right, out of all the nonsense and self-serving, self-aggrandizing, it was to accept Arius. Yeah, that's right, they didn't invent non-trinitarianism, Arius had it right and he had it right a long time before Russel.

The trinity is the worst teaching ever. The main thing Satan contended was that Jesus was not "the Word", but just a fellow being that was bullying everyone else. Satan didn't believe in God.

The foundation of Satan's claim was that Jesus made God up, and he was using it to mask his real intention.

So, Jesus consented to be born Son of Man and to die at Satan's hand to prove God was real, and that He, Jesus, was indeed doing what He claimed, to "be sent", to be only "doing the will of the Father" etc.

The trinity undoes the value of Christ's sacrifice.