why does the wt interpret matt.24:34 "truly i say to you this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
" as having overlapping generations ?
and not applying the same reasoning to any other scripture/s referring to a generation or this generation .?
Simply because when these words were written, they weren't intended to imply an over lapping generation, they were expressively intended toward the generation of people living at the time.
Sorry folks but that's the truth and the facts.
Exactly! Thus, the prophecy failed 2,000 or so years ago.
wolves use their "loyalty" questions to trap others - "do you believe we're living in the last days/this is god's organization/faithful slave?
" - yet resolutely avoid discussing topics which put their org in a bad light, my "loyalty" question to them would be - "do you accept literature truth over bible truth?
" they will either run or be forced to ask for examples of alleged differences.any other suggestions for "loyalty" questions?.
@ A Believer:
Do you really believe Watchtower propaganda or are you just a troll? Sometimes I just wonder...
wolves use their "loyalty" questions to trap others - "do you believe we're living in the last days/this is god's organization/faithful slave?
" - yet resolutely avoid discussing topics which put their org in a bad light, my "loyalty" question to them would be - "do you accept literature truth over bible truth?
" they will either run or be forced to ask for examples of alleged differences.any other suggestions for "loyalty" questions?.
Sounds good, but sadly I'm uncertain if such a strategy would help them see the light. They would probably just say that the F&DS are imperfect men and that they make mistakes. Then they will say that one should "wait on Jehoober blablabla". It's not like I haven't heard them say that before.
my real name is benjamin heath, i live in southern oregon, usa, and you can always reach me on twitter @ben_heath_.
i have also rebooted my blog at benheathonline.com which is linked with my twitter.
i intend to write about experiences at work and in life, as well as whatever it is i'm reading about at the moment.. i'm a programmer by hobby, a truck driver by profession, an atheist by education and reasoning, and an ex-jw by choice.
Hi Benjamin. Programming? Cool! I've just started learning some Swift and will look into other languages as I continue to learn. I've heard that swift is a lot like Objective-C, so I will probably look into that next. Anyway, nice meeting you!
i am agnostic.
i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.
please answer my question.
Agnostic.
In a way everyone is a bit agnostic if you really think about it.
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
At Revelation 7:9, the great crowd is not seen as being in heaven. Their “standing before the throne” of God does not require them to be in heaven. They are simply in the sight of God. (Psalm 11:4) The fact that the great crowd, “which no man was able to number,” is not a heavenly class is shown by comparing its unspecified number with what is written at Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-4. There the number taken from the earth to heaven is revealed to be 144,000.
You're still not making any sense. The psalms did not refer to anyone being before the throne and hence it can't be used as comparison. The angels were stated to be around the throne. Are they on earth? No.
Jehovah is in his holy temple.+Jehovah’s throne is in the heavens.+His own eyes see, his watchful* eyes examine the sons of men.+
That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne+ will spread his tent over them.+
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
I don't know if someone already said it but, can't you read?
The very scriptures posted said that the great crowd was "before the throne" and in "heaven". How can this be interpreted to mean on earth?
aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
You may believe so, but can you prove it?
jws like to think they have found the one true religion.
but like so many other religious people, it's usually the religion they were born into, the only religion they know because it's the first one they found or, at the most, one of two or three (typically the second one after they left their first / born-in faith).. the trouble is, there simply isn't enough time to explore and investigate each and everyone of the many thousands of belief systems, religions and sects around the world.. think of it this way: which is the best neighbourhood to live in where you would be most happy and most successful?
not just in the city or even the country you are in, but the entire world.. how would you ever know?
Excellent analogy.
John Legend - Everybody knows, but nobody really knows...
so today was a cold and snowy day in my neck of the woods and the wife and i were just chilling around the house waiting to go to the church tonight for a candle lighting service when lo and behold we get a knock on the door.
yup, 2 elders from my old hall.
i figured they were fishing for some time so i invited them in and gave them some coffee and we talked about everything that happened and why we walk away from the jw's.
Either way I was brutally honest with them and told them how it is. So they want to come back. I left them with the question regarding Genesis chapter 1 and how the creator of the universe doesn't know that trees require sunlight. They were dumbfounded.
Lol. I bet they will say that he created light and darkness in day one, even though the sun wasn't made until day 4. Where would the light come from? Another bible contradiction I guess.
3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.+ 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.+And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.
When they come back, tell them that the snake told the truth in the garden of eden:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6252278996533248/satan-really-bad-guy-story-creation
