The idea that your family puts you second to a cult is very heartbreaking. My mom used to say that she "loves" me but as soon as I left "the truth" everything changed and all that "love" vanished into thin air. What kind of "love" is that? Whatever it is, I would rather to not be loved at all than to have fake love.
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To love Jehovah more than friends and family.
by schnell inwhen i was a believer, i endorsed this idea too.
i commented with things like "love jehovah more than your mate" or "love jehovah more than your friends".. it didn't occur to me as i was saying it that jehovah is an idea.
this god concept is an idea that should really pass scrutiny if you're supposed to love it more than anything else.. at best, this means that jehovah is real and you have to love jehovah more than the people in your life, no matter the despicable things he is said to have done, condoned and endorsed in his holy writ.
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2017 Yearbook released
by bohm ini saw this on reddit:.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.
overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).
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The negative growth and zeros please me very much. I hope that 2018 is even more satisfying.
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You know it's the Truth, because it attracts crazy people.
by schnell ini wish i was kidding, but i have heard this idea suggested lately as a defense of the wts.
this is god's organization, even though it attracts crazy people, and because it attracts crazy people.
"unlettered and ordinary," et cetera.. i don't get it.
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At this rate, in ten years (if they don't go bust by then) they will have about 50,000 anointed people. 😆
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I am glad to have found the true religion
by A Believer init really is great.
i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.
i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.
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evilApostate
You guys just couldn't resist the bait right?
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WT sells branch in Hong Kong for 65M
by Viva la Vida inhttp://www.savills.com.hk/_news/article/574/141879-0/12/2015/savills-appointed-sole-agent-for-the-tender-sale-of-12-and-14-kent-road--kowloon-tong.
savills appointed sole agent for the tender sale of 12 & 14 kent road, kowloon tong.
the two-storey property at 14 kent road has a site area and saleable area of 10,771 sq ft and 4,303 sq ft respectively.
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Check the Yearbook for 1992 p. 26 (you can find it here from the Avoid JW webpage:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw0qjUoEReBVQ3pVaVVMV1VPbVk/view)
I see. However, wouldn't that mean that they are only partially closing? Don't they still own the other property at 4 Kent Road, Kowloon Tong?
From the yearbook:
On January 1, 1980, the branch office moved from a tiny
facility to a more spacious and quieter one at 4 Kent Road in
the suburb of Kowloon Tong. These premises were to serve
the needs of the branch very well for eight years. Time then
came for further expansion. Right on time a beautiful building
suitable for a small branch office and Bethel Home became
available at 12 Kent Road, and this was purchased. However,
after only three years, it became obvious that another property
would soon be needed. Again Jehovah provided.
One afternoon, a Catholic priest living at 16 Kent Road
told the Branch Committee coordinator, "Our friends have
gone." He was referring to a Chinese family who owned
14 Kent Road. This family had moved out that weekend, and
their house was for sale. It was ideal. The property at 14 Kent
Road is an excellent addition to our other properties at
numbers 4 and 12. This is a two-story, white reinforced concrete building.The Bethel family now numbers 19, and
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WT sells branch in Hong Kong for 65M
by Viva la Vida inhttp://www.savills.com.hk/_news/article/574/141879-0/12/2015/savills-appointed-sole-agent-for-the-tender-sale-of-12-and-14-kent-road--kowloon-tong.
savills appointed sole agent for the tender sale of 12 & 14 kent road, kowloon tong.
the two-storey property at 14 kent road has a site area and saleable area of 10,771 sq ft and 4,303 sq ft respectively.
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evilApostate
Is this really Watchtower's property? I didn't see anything in your link about Watchtower owning the property. Additionally, according to this:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.280118342181278.1073741832.150992685093845&type=3
Watchtower's branch is located at 4 Kent Road, Kowloon Tong. Can you clarify?
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Did God place the Sun and Moon in the earth's atmosphere?
by evilApostate inand god said, “let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” so god made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.
god called the vault “sky.” and there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.and god said, “let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” and it was so.
god called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” and god saw that it was good.. above we see that there were waters below and waters above.
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evilApostate
@schnell:
Thanks for the diagram.
My point is if the creation story is clearly false, why do people still take it so seriously?
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Did God place the Sun and Moon in the earth's atmosphere?
by evilApostate inand god said, “let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” so god made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.
god called the vault “sky.” and there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.and god said, “let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” and it was so.
god called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” and god saw that it was good.. above we see that there were waters below and waters above.
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And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.Above we see that there were waters below and waters above. Underneath the waters above was the sky. According to many Christians the flood came because God allowed the waters above to come down.
And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Above, we see that the bible is saying that God placed the sun and the moon in the vault of the sky; i.e. the earth's atmosphere. So much for the bible being "scientifically accurate."
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Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower Society Houses Hidden Sexual Abuse Records, Says Journalist
by no password injehovah's witnesses watchtower society houses hidden sexual abuse records, says journalist.
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I tell you this much. The day that the pedophile database is actually released, I will party like it's 1999.
Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually delete all data before they are forced to release it.
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Why would Jehovah give Satan rulership of the World.?
by smiddy inromans 13 : 1-7 "let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities" etc,"the existing authourities stand placed in their relative positions by god" 2".therefore he who opposers the authourity has taken a stand against the arrangement of god ,those who have taken a stand against it will recieve judgement to themselves "etc,etc,.."..to him who calls for honour such honour.".
isnt this plainly stating that christians should be supporting and playing along with the governments of this sytem of things ?
that it is in fact an arrangement of god ?
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Annon: yeah if he wanted to win the contest of winning votes, would he not have showered mankind with goodness instead, in his final sprint? may be it was the other contestant that caused all the havoc, like he did in Babel, and in the same region again today? bad scriptwriting in that made up drama.
Precisely. JWs teach that Jokehova is giving Satan a chance to prove that his rulership is better. Yet they also teach that he came down to earth in 1914 and began wreaking havoc in the world. This is so contradictory. Wouldn't he use his power/wisdom to help us rather than harm us?
Another, hole in the logic is that there are many accounts in the bible where Jokehova intervenes (the flood etc). That is hardly giving Satan a chance.