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  My real name (and a shameless self promotion)

  by schnell in

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  my real name is benjamin heath, i live in southern oregon, usa, and you can always reach me on twitter @ben_heath_.

  i have also rebooted my blog at benheathonline.com which is linked with my twitter.

  i intend to write about experiences at work and in life, as well as whatever it is i'm reading about at the moment.. i'm a programmer by hobby, a truck driver by profession, an atheist by education and reasoning, and an ex-jw by choice.

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  @schnell:

  It sounds cool. I might try it out later on but I must crawl before I walk. After all, compared to you, I'm a noob programmer.
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  My real name (and a shameless self promotion)

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my real name is benjamin heath, i live in southern oregon, usa, and you can always reach me on twitter @ben_heath_.

  i have also rebooted my blog at benheathonline.com which is linked with my twitter.

  i intend to write about experiences at work and in life, as well as whatever it is i'm reading about at the moment.. i'm a programmer by hobby, a truck driver by profession, an atheist by education and reasoning, and an ex-jw by choice.

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  What, nobody wants to try LISP?

  First time hearing about LISP.
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  Why isnt the overlapping generation( interpretation), consistently applied to these scriptures.?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
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  why does the wt interpret matt.24:34 "truly i say to you this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  " as having overlapping generations ?

  and not applying the same reasoning to any other scripture/s referring to a generation or this generation .?

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  Simply because when these words were written, they weren't intended to imply an over lapping generation, they were expressively intended toward the generation of people living at the time.
  Sorry folks but that's the truth and the facts.

  Exactly! Thus, the prophecy failed 2,000 or so years ago.
  
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  Fight Fire With Fire!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wolves use their "loyalty" questions to trap others - "do you believe we're living in the last days/this is god's organization/faithful slave?

  " - yet resolutely avoid discussing topics which put their org in a bad light, my "loyalty" question to them would be - "do you accept literature truth over bible truth?

  " they will either run or be forced to ask for examples of alleged differences.any other suggestions for "loyalty" questions?.

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  @ A Believer:

  Do you really believe Watchtower propaganda or are you just a troll? Sometimes I just wonder...
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  Fight Fire With Fire!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wolves use their "loyalty" questions to trap others - "do you believe we're living in the last days/this is god's organization/faithful slave?

  " - yet resolutely avoid discussing topics which put their org in a bad light, my "loyalty" question to them would be - "do you accept literature truth over bible truth?

  " they will either run or be forced to ask for examples of alleged differences.any other suggestions for "loyalty" questions?.

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  Sounds good, but sadly I'm uncertain if such a strategy would help them see the light. They would probably just say that the F&DS are imperfect men and that they make mistakes. Then they will say that one should "wait on Jehoober blablabla". It's not like I haven't heard them say that before.
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  My real name (and a shameless self promotion)

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my real name is benjamin heath, i live in southern oregon, usa, and you can always reach me on twitter @ben_heath_.

  i have also rebooted my blog at benheathonline.com which is linked with my twitter.

  i intend to write about experiences at work and in life, as well as whatever it is i'm reading about at the moment.. i'm a programmer by hobby, a truck driver by profession, an atheist by education and reasoning, and an ex-jw by choice.

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  Hi Benjamin. Programming? Cool! I've just started learning some Swift and will look into other languages as I continue to learn. I've heard that swift is a lot like Objective-C, so I will probably look into that next. Anyway, nice meeting you!
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  Survey: Are you Agnostic or Atheist or Christian?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i am agnostic.

  i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.

  please answer my question.

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  Agnostic.

  In a way everyone is a bit agnostic if you really think about it.
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  The Great Crowd!

  by A Believer in

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  notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

  a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

  this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

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  At Revelation 7:9, the great crowd is not seen as being in heaven. Their “standing before the throne” of God does not require them to be in heaven. They are simply in the sight of God. (Psalm 11:4) The fact that the great crowd, “which no man was able to number,” is not a heavenly class is shown by comparing its unspecified number with what is written at Revelation 7:4-8 and Revelation 14:1-4. There the number taken from the earth to heaven is revealed to be 144,000.

  You're still not making any sense. The psalms did not refer to anyone being before the throne and hence it can't be used as comparison. The angels were stated to be around the throne. Are they on earth? No.

  Jehovah is in his holy temple.+Jehovah’s throne is in the heavens.+His own eyes see, his watchful* eyes examine the sons of men.+

  That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne+ will spread his tent over them.+

  The very scriptures you posted shows that they are in heaven. J is on his throne which is in heaven. The GC are before the throne in the temple. Hence, the GC are in heaven.

  
  

  Anyway, I have no more time to debate this. Its just fiction after all...
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  The Great Crowd!

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

  a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

  this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

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  I don't know if someone already said it but, can't you read?

  The very scriptures posted said that the great crowd was "before the throne" and in "heaven". How can this be interpreted to mean on earth?
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  Despite their false predictions aren't the JWs right? Won't the world eventually end & Paradise come?

  by deegee in

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  aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.

  it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..

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  You may believe so, but can you prove it?