Posts by WhatshallIcallmyself

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

Well am I to believe that all the evolutionary chains all started at the same time so they are in a phase that isn't visible today? - Hadriel

There is only 1 chain and all life has evolved from that 1 starting point (there is some evidence that suggests we might have found something that is not related to everything else - a bacteria like organism - but that is not settled yet as far as I know), there are not many that just happen to have converged on life at the same time. That is not to say life didn't start many number of times and become extinct before really getting going but we may never know that. The genetic evidence is as conclusive as it needs to get on that issue; not to say there isn't more to learn but once you know the Earth isn't flat all other following geological understandings do not change that fact.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

atomant - Yes, to make a letter such as this "L" does take intelligence and I know this due to my experience throughout life. And a code based on those letter is likewise a sign of intelligence for those same reasons.

However, DNA does not contain letters or a code or anything like that at all. It only contain chemical compounds. That we observers give analogous definitions to those compounds for ease of understanding does not mean that those analogous definitions define DNA absolutely ...

www.talkorigins.org

Beware of heading into logical fallacy territory with those type of arguments atomant.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

atomant - You start with the assertion "DNA contains information" then define information to suit your purpose and run from there, proving nothing yet asserting lots...

DNA contains lots of things but "information" is not one of them!

Talkorigins...

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

If it could happen by random chance, then scientists should easily be able to put this 'soup' together. - EndofMysteries

Contrast the whole world and many millennia with a laboratory and a finite amount of research time and funding. Ponder that and you have your answer!

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

Hi,

www.Talkorigins.org will have answers to those questions along with relevant references.

As an aside, the egg was around before chicks (or chickens) evolved and abiogenesis theory is not evolution theory.

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The Jehovah’s Witness bagged themselves a Big One when they got Professor Raj Kalaria, to speak about his belief

by Watchtower-Free in

uk scientist helps christian cult to promote creationism.

the jehovah’s witness bagged themselves a big one when they got professor raj kalaria, above, to speak about his belief in creationism in a new video posted online by the cult.. keralia is currently a deputy director of the newcastle centre for brain ageing and vitality, newcastle, and a professor of neuropathology at newcastle university, uk.. when ex-jehovah’s witness lloyd evans, who runs jwsurvey, discovered that an april 2016 jw broadcasting episode featured keralia, he decided to:.

reach out to newcastle university to find out whether it endorses the academic’s stance on evolution, and found myself in a rather frustrating email exchange with helen rae, the media relations manager at the university’s faculty of medical sciences .. after much to-ing and fro-ing, an official statement was finally forthcoming ….

WhatshallIcallmyself

konceptual99 - The reason is that as centres of learning universities like this have a responsibility to uphold the values of such organisations. Creationists are the antithesis of scientists so when a professor such as this comes out in support of such silly ideas the university should distance themselves from those anti-science and anti-education worldviews. As it is the university has,, in essence, said the views of this person are valid; that is not something a centre of learning should be saying...

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The Jehovah’s Witness bagged themselves a Big One when they got Professor Raj Kalaria, to speak about his belief

by Watchtower-Free in

uk scientist helps christian cult to promote creationism.

the jehovah’s witness bagged themselves a big one when they got professor raj kalaria, above, to speak about his belief in creationism in a new video posted online by the cult.. keralia is currently a deputy director of the newcastle centre for brain ageing and vitality, newcastle, and a professor of neuropathology at newcastle university, uk.. when ex-jehovah’s witness lloyd evans, who runs jwsurvey, discovered that an april 2016 jw broadcasting episode featured keralia, he decided to:.

reach out to newcastle university to find out whether it endorses the academic’s stance on evolution, and found myself in a rather frustrating email exchange with helen rae, the media relations manager at the university’s faculty of medical sciences .. after much to-ing and fro-ing, an official statement was finally forthcoming ….

WhatshallIcallmyself

Assertions without evidence are just that, assertions. Despite his high academic ranking all this professor is providing, in this instance, are various logical fallacies, not least of which is the personal incredulity fallacy. And all the watchtower are doing is their usual argument from authority fallacy.

I notice neither party says anything that can be remotely tested (i.e. have the evidence flung in their faces) and instead relies on science-like phrases that will impress those without the understanding to know better...

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I was disfellowshipped because of Satan

by elbib in

during co visit, i took him for a bible study i was conducting.

during the session, the householder said he believed satan was not a person, but personification of evil within us.

i left co to handle householder’s doubt.

WhatshallIcallmyself

If Satan is not an actual person/entity, who is God talking to in Job? Or is this another case of the Bible giving conflicting accounts?

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Evolution is a Fact #34 - Hiccups and Tadpoles

by cofty in

hiccups are a weird phenomena.

they are a combination of two involuntary actions - firstly a rapid inhalation of breath followed 35 milliseconds later by the glottis at the back of the throat suddenly closing off our airway.. our normal breathing is controlled by a "central pattern generator" in a small region of the brain stem close to the boundary with the spinal cord.

a signal is sent along the vagus and phrenic nerves resulting in a rhythmic contraction of muscles in chest, diaphragm and throat.. these nerves branch off right at the top of the spinal cord and follow a convoluted path through the chest cavity.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Here's a response, "I'm not interested", (door closes) - Quarterback

And while you wallow in your self induced ignorance the world moves on without you. Perhaps that is a good thing if you are not willing to learn about something before dismissing it.

And yes, discussions of this topic are certainly valid on this site because of what the JWs have wrote about it. Were it not for their lies (yes they are lies...) these topics would not be necessary...

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Evolution is a Fact #34 - Hiccups and Tadpoles

by cofty in

hiccups are a weird phenomena.

they are a combination of two involuntary actions - firstly a rapid inhalation of breath followed 35 milliseconds later by the glottis at the back of the throat suddenly closing off our airway.. our normal breathing is controlled by a "central pattern generator" in a small region of the brain stem close to the boundary with the spinal cord.

a signal is sent along the vagus and phrenic nerves resulting in a rhythmic contraction of muscles in chest, diaphragm and throat.. these nerves branch off right at the top of the spinal cord and follow a convoluted path through the chest cavity.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Good Post. Thanks