Posts by WhatshallIcallmyself

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

To those who really want to learn about life's origins:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

The first link (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics and Probability of Abiogenesis Calculations) has 29 references that link you to actual papers published by scientists on subjects relevant to this discussion thread. In other words, if you want to learn the science then that is a good starting point for you (it was for me 10+ years ago...). You will certainly learn a lot more there than arguing on here when it is clear that the nomenclature is not yet understood by some.

To those who just want a light read:

Light read!

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

"It seems to me, and I got this by skipping through some posts, that there are some disagreements in the Evolution theory camps. Just as there exists in the Creation camps. I'm sure that some would also disagree with what I said." - Quarterback

There are disagreements in science but the theory of evolution via common descent is not in doubt. The doubts are how certain things happen, how much emphasis should be put on certain environmental pressures, how fast things change and so on. There is no doubt that it happened though...

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

"You are unwilling to admit that intelligence could have kicked off the whole thing" - Hadriel

I don't think we are, I know that I do not dismiss that option. I do think we are unwilling to accept that the premise that an intelligence is responsible for life is scientific, for the reasons in my previous post.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

Hadriel - To suggest an intelligence is behind the diversity of life we see on Earth is, scientifically, exactly the same as saying God is behind it. Both avenues offer nothing in way of an explanation because you could say "intelligence" or "God" for everything we see here on Earth and we have no way of falsifying that claim. That is why Intelligent design, or God did it, is not scientific.

To clarify, it matters not whether your intelligence is an alien or a god as both suggestions offer nothing for us to learn.

However, if an Alien species were to land, or we were to find something on a nearby planet/moon, and we could analyse what makes them work then we would have some evidence with which to build a hypothesis that could then be tested. Up until that point the only life we have to study is what is here on Earth...

As an aside there are scientists studying organic compounds found in space (profusely actually) and the scientific findings of those researchers may allow us to widen the net used to consider the beginnings of life on Earth.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

Well am I to believe that all the evolutionary chains all started at the same time so they are in a phase that isn't visible today? - Hadriel

There is only 1 chain and all life has evolved from that 1 starting point (there is some evidence that suggests we might have found something that is not related to everything else - a bacteria like organism - but that is not settled yet as far as I know), there are not many that just happen to have converged on life at the same time. That is not to say life didn't start many number of times and become extinct before really getting going but we may never know that. The genetic evidence is as conclusive as it needs to get on that issue; not to say there isn't more to learn but once you know the Earth isn't flat all other following geological understandings do not change that fact.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

atomant - Yes, to make a letter such as this "L" does take intelligence and I know this due to my experience throughout life. And a code based on those letter is likewise a sign of intelligence for those same reasons.

However, DNA does not contain letters or a code or anything like that at all. It only contain chemical compounds. That we observers give analogous definitions to those compounds for ease of understanding does not mean that those analogous definitions define DNA absolutely ...

www.talkorigins.org

Beware of heading into logical fallacy territory with those type of arguments atomant.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

atomant - You start with the assertion "DNA contains information" then define information to suit your purpose and run from there, proving nothing yet asserting lots...

DNA contains lots of things but "information" is not one of them!

Talkorigins...

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

If it could happen by random chance, then scientists should easily be able to put this 'soup' together. - EndofMysteries

Contrast the whole world and many millennia with a laboratory and a finite amount of research time and funding. Ponder that and you have your answer!

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

WhatshallIcallmyself

Hi,

www.Talkorigins.org will have answers to those questions along with relevant references.

As an aside, the egg was around before chicks (or chickens) evolved and abiogenesis theory is not evolution theory.

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The Jehovah’s Witness bagged themselves a Big One when they got Professor Raj Kalaria, to speak about his belief

by Watchtower-Free in

uk scientist helps christian cult to promote creationism.

the jehovah’s witness bagged themselves a big one when they got professor raj kalaria, above, to speak about his belief in creationism in a new video posted online by the cult.. keralia is currently a deputy director of the newcastle centre for brain ageing and vitality, newcastle, and a professor of neuropathology at newcastle university, uk.. when ex-jehovah’s witness lloyd evans, who runs jwsurvey, discovered that an april 2016 jw broadcasting episode featured keralia, he decided to:.

reach out to newcastle university to find out whether it endorses the academic’s stance on evolution, and found myself in a rather frustrating email exchange with helen rae, the media relations manager at the university’s faculty of medical sciences .. after much to-ing and fro-ing, an official statement was finally forthcoming ….

WhatshallIcallmyself

konceptual99 - The reason is that as centres of learning universities like this have a responsibility to uphold the values of such organisations. Creationists are the antithesis of scientists so when a professor such as this comes out in support of such silly ideas the university should distance themselves from those anti-science and anti-education worldviews. As it is the university has,, in essence, said the views of this person are valid; that is not something a centre of learning should be saying...