Posts by WhatshallIcallmyself

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"So, if the mathematics (not to mention logic) shows our universe had a beginning, then someone or some thing, from the static state of timelessness had to have acted upon our space time universe in order for it to exist" - Perry

For sure, some THING must have caused our universe to begin if indeed it does have a beginning (The thing to consider with regards to any mathematical model is the Gigo effect) but it is not mathematical or logical to suggest a someONE. It is not logical because we have not observed a someone to cause a universe to burst into life and, more importantly, we know a someone can't do that...

Why is the non sequitur be so prevalent in religious people's thinking?

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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

by Perry in

the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

whatever begins to exist had a cause.

therefore the universe had a cause.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Suggesting that something caused something to happen is one thing and based on observations that is a reasonably rational position to take on the face of it. However to then run with that and suggest that cause is then god or that the assumption of a cause is evidence for a god is illogical.

Why?

If you want to use logic to suggest that all events have a cause you must stick with using logic and not stop when you have used logic enough to give a baseline that you can then paste any old rubbish to. Therefore an extension of that logic of a first cause must continue on and on for ever. Thus it is logical to state that the first cause argument offers nothing in a way of an explanation insofar that we learn nothing by following that route of inquiry.

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Uber-JW apologist's delusional mindset on display in response to my comnents on news article

by Sugar Shane in

here's the response i get from a comment i made to an online article for billboard magazine, on prince's life as a jw:.

debra labelle c s5 hours ago"your a liar and hater of the true god jehovah.

i feel very sorry for you.".

WhatshallIcallmyself

I decided to have a pop but more out of boredom that any real inclination to get in to a discussion with either of those people.

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JW anti-gay children movie viral in Netherlands national media + official reaction of JW spokesman Branch office

by Gorbatchov in

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various dutch (netherlands) media mentioned the anti-gay children movie on jw.org,.

and gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual organizations are shocked, and some gay people.

are reporting the movie to the local police.. the official spokesman of the dutch branch office in emmen declared that the movie is.

WhatshallIcallmyself

JW Children or children of JW's? The distinction between those 2 descriptions is why people are upset. Children need to be taught to think not told what to think, especially when those thoughts go beyond what society deems suitable.

Children are children and are not left/right/Christian/jew/muslim/whatever...

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Excuses for God

by xelder in

i am amazed at how people will go to extreme stretches of logic to explain or justify the supposed actions of their god (lower case g intentional, no upper case deserved).

i have seen people with wonderful bullshit detectors in normal life, throw all of that ability away in order to retain their hope of a creator who cares for them.

i am agnostic, certainly not atheistic, since i think atheism is not provable.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"i am agnostic, certainly not atheistic, since i think atheism is not provable" - xelder

Atheism is a position taken in relation to Theism in that it rejects the claims of Theism; therefore there is nothing that needs to be proven. The onus is on the positive claim, i.e. there is a god, to be proven truthful. It would be silly to expect someone to prove beyond all reasonable doubt each and every outlandish claim made, whether that be claims about a god or indeed anything else. The onus of evidence is always on the person making the positive claim. Yes, an "Atheist" may state there is no God but that, of course is a positive claim requiring some evidence.

A JW holds an Atheistic position in regards of the claims of all the other gods of this world. In fact it has been said that the only difference between a Christian and an Atheist is that the Atheist has gone just 1 god further...

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Evolution is a Fact #36 - Mass Extinctions

by cofty in

250 million years ago a plume of molten basalt gushed up from the earth's core.

it erupted in an area now known as the siberian traps - back then it was part of the supercontinent pangaea.

a curtain of lava a mile high and hundreds of miles long lit up the sky.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Vidiot -

I'm not Cofty but as I am here...

http://www.els.net/WileyCDA/ElsArticle/refId-a0001655.html

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Evolution is a Fact #36 - Mass Extinctions

by cofty in

250 million years ago a plume of molten basalt gushed up from the earth's core.

it erupted in an area now known as the siberian traps - back then it was part of the supercontinent pangaea.

a curtain of lava a mile high and hundreds of miles long lit up the sky.

WhatshallIcallmyself

The Rebel -

I have here a link to a 2002 paper explaining the answer to your question. However you my need to log in to view that paper.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/296/5574/1846

This is but 1 and there are numerous other papers out there explaining this region and also, very importantly, there are papers explaining radiometric dating methods, their pros and cons and when and where they should be used. If you aren't subscribed to any of these sites then this information is easily accessed through various educational sites as well as from books you can buy...

One of the reasons people like COFTY get annoyed with some posters is their tone of message. In your case you ask a question in a rather snarky way when the information you need is only a few clicks away on the internet. I have studied geology at the undergraduate level and when I think about the amount of information I have had to not only read but to also understand offhand comments like "...but some of this elevated intellectual thinking from scientists, in my opinion is pure ego..." really grates.

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Higher Education - is it really the end of the WT?

by OutsiderLookingIn in

as a non-jw, before i started looking into things, i must say i only encountered intelligent jws.

so i was quite surprised to read here and in the pew report about their low overall educational achievement.

granted, my exposure was limited (less than a handful of people over a lifetime) but i met two of them in post-college education (graduate school) at a very good school.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Knowledge is power, guard it well

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Evolution is a Fact #31 - Ten Questions for Creationists

by cofty in

i thought this would be a good time to pose some questions based on the series so far.. if creationism is true these should be easy.

answers that don't involve copy-paste would be really interesting to read.. ... .

1. since some proteins can be assembled in more ways than there are atoms in the universe why do the sequences of amino acids and bases vary between species in exactly the way evolution predicts?

WhatshallIcallmyself

talesin - If what you state here "That was a statement of my opinion" was stated accurately then it does not follow that anything needs to be disproven...

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Evolution is a Fact #31 - Ten Questions for Creationists

by cofty in

i thought this would be a good time to pose some questions based on the series so far.. if creationism is true these should be easy.

answers that don't involve copy-paste would be really interesting to read.. ... .

1. since some proteins can be assembled in more ways than there are atoms in the universe why do the sequences of amino acids and bases vary between species in exactly the way evolution predicts?

WhatshallIcallmyself

Hoob is yet another candidate for the Dunning-Kruger effect. Although to demonstrate such a low level of understanding in just 2 posts is unusual...

1 - Does not understand what peer review means.

2 - Does not understand what science is and how it works (hence the link to a creationscience site).

3 - Does not understand logical fallacies; confuses constructive criticism with a personal attack.

4 - Uses the term evolutionist...