Posts by WhatshallIcallmyself

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"This does not make sense chemically." - Kate

What doesn't? What have stated that is wrong? I may have used simplistic language and analogies but that doesn't make me wrong!

"I am talking about homochirality in living things in nature and racemic solutions in non living chemicals and other objects. Do you mean that homochirality is expected over racemic mixtures?"

In the biosphere yes of course. Left and right handed molecules are not identical insofar that they do not make use of the same energy resources; they are as far as life is concerned, completely different. You cannot use one set or type of molecules in an environment with specific constraints and then use the results obtained from those observations to conclude anything about other molecules in other environments. In the context of your posts you are saying that scientists set up a system in the lab and looked at how specific chiral molecules behaved. From that you then state that this gives you reason to conclude that chirality that we see in the world indicates a guiding force controlling things in such a way that life uses the left hand variant.... Is that summary wrong?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"evolution can be guided by memory so I don't agree with atheists who say evolution is unguided" - Ruby

There is a difference between a natural process that seemingly "guides" something and a sentient being controlling everything around us (or even one or two small things). Generally, if a theist states that evolution is guided then they are referring to the latter. I would also question your use of the word memory. The term memory can be used to describe something that has no connection to the everyday meaning of the word. You may use it correctly but I am sure there are some readers who would misinterpret your point.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"Instead of saying I believe in God of the gaps I apply Occam's Razor to explain that evolution is guided."

So you are saying that guided evolution, that is a consciously guided evolutionary process, is a simpler explanation than non-guided evolutionary processes?

How is that simpler? All you have done is add a multitude of unanswered questions without answering the initial question.

Is this a serious thread or are you a Poe?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

WhatshallIcallmyself

KateWild -

I also cannot see how you have arrived at your conclusion based on your first post. All I can see is a statement about chirality in nature, then a statement about chirality in the lab, then an explanation what certain words mean and then finally you say you conclude that chirality has to be guided therefore God.

At best I would describe your OP as a good example of the non sequitur fallacy for these reasons:

Life is, in essence, energy exchange. At the molecular level energy is exchanged chemically and this energy always falls down the easiest path. Chemical energy can be of differing values and molecules favour certain chemical energy values. Molecules that are chiral do not like the same chemical energy values or to put it another way chemical energy of certain values will favour a specific handedness. That one version of a chiral molecule is favoured over another is to be expected rather than unexpected.

Unless the lab is careful enough to maintain the correct variants of energy levels available, like in a cell, then of course you would expect the results in a lab to differ from in a cell...

Catalysts catalyse, that is what they do. In other words, they make it easier for energy exchange to happen. If one catalyst makes it easier for a certain handedness to flourish again this is not unexpected based on the previous sentence! Or to put it another way, you would need 2 different catalysts for CHIRAL molecules to flourish equally, 1 for each hand...

Just because a catalyst favours the energy requirements of a specific handedness of chiral molecule does not then mean that it is guiding it to an objective. That is you putting a human face onto an unguided process; also known as anthropomorphism.

Therefore I can conclude, based on the above, that you have not arrived at your conclusion logically and those people who are also saying that are not being combative but are, like me, confused by your position.

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Brexit...

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

the london stock exchange up, every share index up, the pound up against the dollar.

where is the fire and brimstone?.

the rebel..

WhatshallIcallmyself

"and immigration from EU countries is a benefit to the UK when viewed in the big picture..."

What is this big picture?

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

WhatshallIcallmyself

When crimes, such as honour killings, go unreported to the secular authorities it is fairly obvious that official figures will not give an accurate representation of reality.

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String Theory Co-Founder: Sub-Atomic Particles Are Evidence the Universe Was Created

by Tenacious in

(cnsnews.com) -- dr. michio kaku [1], a theoretical physicist [2] at the city college of new york (cuny) and co-founder of string field theory [3], says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence.. after analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles - which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, kaku concluded [4] that the universe is a “matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being.. “i have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence.

believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore,” kaku said, according [5] to an article published in the geophilosophical association of anthropological and cultural studies.. “to me it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”.

“the final solution resolution could be that god is a mathematician,” kaku, author of the future of the mind: the scientific quest to understand, enhance, and empower the mind [6], said in a 2013 big think video [7]posted on youtube.. “the mind of god, we believe, is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11-dimensional hyperspace.”.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"the existence of a grandly designed cosmos. a universe, life functioning as if on autopilot." - prologos

Have you spoken to this designer? Of course you haven't. Therefore you have no basis to conclude this cosmos is designed. As others have often pointed out, not knowing something is not evidence of anything; other than not knowing something of course...

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String Theory Co-Founder: Sub-Atomic Particles Are Evidence the Universe Was Created

by Tenacious in

(cnsnews.com) -- dr. michio kaku [1], a theoretical physicist [2] at the city college of new york (cuny) and co-founder of string field theory [3], says theoretical particles known as “primitive semi-radius tachyons” are physical evidence that the universe was created by a higher intelligence.. after analyzing the behavior of these sub-atomic particles - which can move faster than the speed of light and have the ability to “unstick” space and matter – using technology created in 2005, kaku concluded [4] that the universe is a “matrix” governed by laws and principles that could only have been designed by an intelligent being.. “i have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence.

believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore,” kaku said, according [5] to an article published in the geophilosophical association of anthropological and cultural studies.. “to me it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”.

“the final solution resolution could be that god is a mathematician,” kaku, author of the future of the mind: the scientific quest to understand, enhance, and empower the mind [6], said in a 2013 big think video [7]posted on youtube.. “the mind of god, we believe, is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11-dimensional hyperspace.”.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"yeah, one does not understand now, but most likely someone did before, not only understood, but arranged it to be so.; even if that arrangement would be a random process governed by the laws on hand." - prologos

The complete quote of Finkelstein, immediately following what you quoted, which reads:

"...does not make for an intellectually honest or viable argument for a supernatural being as a grand overall creator of the universe"

Although perhaps you have some evidence to support the notion of a grand designer?

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My son is not sure about what he has been taught about the common ancestor

by KateWild in

this week my son expressed he is agnostic as he is not sure what to believe about evolution and the common ancestor.. i thought any jw hang ups were gone.

i told him that what they teach in school is trustworthy and he can be rest assured that there is evidence to support that the common ancestor was the real link to the evolution of humans.. he has got critical thinking skills.

and responded with "for hundreds of years schools have been teaching things and have changed their thoughts".

WhatshallIcallmyself

"If you can't read a book without looking up terminology on most pages it's out of your depth and requires considerable interest and determination." - KateWild

Yes this is true but unfortunately that is what it will take to answer your son's questions. Evolution is a difficult subject, simple premise but complicated mechanisms. But as you said, he is asking his own questions which is a good start.

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My son is not sure about what he has been taught about the common ancestor

by KateWild in

this week my son expressed he is agnostic as he is not sure what to believe about evolution and the common ancestor.. i thought any jw hang ups were gone.

i told him that what they teach in school is trustworthy and he can be rest assured that there is evidence to support that the common ancestor was the real link to the evolution of humans.. he has got critical thinking skills.

and responded with "for hundreds of years schools have been teaching things and have changed their thoughts".

WhatshallIcallmyself

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Evolution-Douglas-Futuyma/dp/0878931872

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Evolution-Douglas-Futuyma/dp/0878932232

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Evolution-Douglas-Futuyma/dp/1605351156

All 3 editions of the same book. Very good but you will need google close at hand to look up some of the terminology. But if you really want to understand evolution without getting a degree then this book is certainly worth the effort (and cost...)