Posts by deegee

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The Evils of Aluminum

by NeonMadman in

aluminum was an issue that became a real “tempest in a teapot” for the watchtower.

it influenced their teaching for almost 50 years and, frankly, created an impression among observers that their members were off-the-wall fanatics.

for all those years, the golden age and other watchtower publications took the position that aluminum cookware and utensils were one of the great health hazards of the 20th century.

deegee

Some years ago I met a special pioneer in Trinidad who claimed that her diabetes was due to using aluminium cookware...........go figure.......

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Preaching work already done - not for now

by stockholm_Syndrome in

compare what happened during the apostolic period -col 1:23:provided, of course, that you continue in the faith, established on the foundation and steadfast, not being shifted away from the hope of that good news that you heard and that was preached in all creation under heaven.+ of this good news i, paul, became a minister.rom 16:26but has now been made manifest* and has been made known through the prophetic scriptures among all the nations according to the command of the everlasting god to promote obedience by faith;who was the preaching commission, or coming forward as a witness given to?

remembering context, audience and purpose….john 15:27;and you, in turn, are to bear witness,+ because you have been with me from the beginning.hmmm i personally wasn't with jesus from the beginning ---were you ?matt 11:1when jesus had finished giving instructions to his 12 disciples, he set out from there to teach and preach in their cities.i wasn't one of his original 12 disciples ---where you?matthew 28:16-20however, the 11 disciples went to galʹi·lee to the mountain where jesus had arranged for them to meet.

17 when they saw him, they did obeisance, but some doubted.18 jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “all authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.

deegee

I sometimes wonder if Preterists & JWs have anything in common?..............Jesus Christ came in 1914 and only we knew.........the world ended/Jesus Christ came in 70AD and only we knew.............

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What is life?

by punkofnice in

when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.

psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.

although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.

deegee

Hey PunkofNice,

Here's the reggae version of your question:

"What is Life" - Black Uhuru:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ul6wKY9zADc

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What is life?

by punkofnice in

when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.

psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.

although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.

deegee

"Always Look on the bright side of Life"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep9Vzb6R_58

from Monty Python's parody: "Life of Brian":-

"Some things in life are bad they can really make you mad

Other things just make you swear and curse

When you're chewin' on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle

And this'll help things turn out for the best

And....always look on the bright side of life (Whistle)

Always look on the light side of life (Whistle)

If life seems jolly rotten there's something you've forgotten

And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing

When you're feeling in the dumps don't be silly chumps

Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing

And always look on the bright side of life (Whistle)

Come on

Always look on the bright side of life (Whistle)

For life is quite absurd

And death's the final word

You must always face the curtain with a bow

Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin

Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death...

(Whistle)

Just before you draw your terminal breath...

(Whistle)

Life's a piece of shit, when you look at it

Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true

You'll see its all a show, keep 'em laughin as you go

Just remember that the last laugh is on you

And......

Always look on the bright side of life......(Whistle)

Always look on the right side

of life......(Whistle)

C'mon guys, cheer up

Always look on the bright side

of life......(Whistle)

Always look on the bright side

of life......(Whistle)

Worse things happen at sea you know.

I mean - what have you got to lose?

You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.

What have you lost? Nothing;

Always look on the right side of life......(Whistle)

What have you got to lose?

You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.

What have you lost?

Nothing!

Always look on the right side of life......

Nothing will come from nothing ya know what they say?

Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin!

There ya go, see!

Always look on the right side of life.....

Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin!

There ya go, see! "

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Where is Antichrist?

by anointed1 in

it is true that bible has at times fallen at odds with proven science (e.g.

joshua stopping the sun, star being stopped over jesus’s house of birth …etc), .

however, when it comes to entropy (moving from order to disorder) it is in harmony with science—especially with the spirit of what the second law of thermodynamics that says that energy of all kinds in our material world disperses or spreads out if it is not hindered from doing so …... .

deegee

Where is Antichrist?
Have you checked behind the fridge?
When I lose something, I always check behind the fridge.

I usually look under the sofa seats when I can't find something.......things just always seem to have a way of falling betwix where the seats meet and getting under the seats......😱

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Was the ransom premature? Shouldn't the effects of Adamic sin have been reversed at the time of Jesus' death?

by deegee in

if the ransom was paid at the time of jesus' death (mark 15:45, matthew 20:28, 1 timothy 2:6, hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?.

it seems to me that either:- the payment of the ransom was premature.

- god was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for adam's & eve's so-called "sin".hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for adam's & eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?.

deegee

The ransom concept is rather puzzling given that Jesus was supposed to taste death for every man:

Hebrews 2:9: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God SHOULD TASTE DEATH FOR EVERY MAN."

If this is the case, then why are people still dying? Why are people still tasting death?

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Was the ransom premature? Shouldn't the effects of Adamic sin have been reversed at the time of Jesus' death?

by deegee in

if the ransom was paid at the time of jesus' death (mark 15:45, matthew 20:28, 1 timothy 2:6, hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?.

it seems to me that either:- the payment of the ransom was premature.

- god was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for adam's & eve's so-called "sin".hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for adam's & eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?.

deegee

If the ransom was paid at the time of Jesus' death (Mark 15:45, Matthew 20:28, 1 Timothy 2:6, Hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of Adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?

It seems to me that either:
- The payment of the ransom was premature

OR

- God was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for Adam's & Eve's so-called "sin".
Hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for Adam's & Eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?

If God truly wants to help mankind then why weren't the effects of Adamic sin reversed at the time when the ransom was paid?

If Jesus paid the ransom then why is there still sickness & death?

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

deegee

Hello David_Jay,

My conclusion about the Jewish perspective of the OT based on your various comments in this forum is that Judaism seems to be a rather fluid religion filled with reinterpretations and rationalizations as time goes by. What was considered literal today may not be literal tomorrow. Hindsight has a way of changing religion.

Religion largely depends on what is generally happening or possible or acceptable in the world at the time. Societal changes shape religion so that what is relevant today may not be relevant tomorrow.

Also, Judaism seems to be no different from Christianity when it comes to diversity of viewpoints - from the conservative/literal/Orthodox to the liberal. If each devout, sincere Jew (or Christian) has a relationship with God and is praying to God why the varying viewpoints regarding the Bible? Is God telling different people different things?

Regards.

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

deegee

******CORRECTION TO MY LAST COMMENT:

"This is the sort of cosmogony that the ancient Babylonians had
https://gilgamesh42.wordpress.com/?s=pillar&submit=Search. "

The correct website is:

https://gilgamesh42.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/creationism-and-evolution-on-trial-the-10000-challenge/.

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The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

by deegee in

i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

deegee

Thanks for your response to my OP David_Jay.

Though I'm not sure if my questions were answered.... ....at least not directly.

I'm wondering if the Jews back in the day would have given the same explanations which you and other contemporary Jews give regarding the OT scriptures? It seems to me that Judaism is in a constant state of evolution, reinterpretation and rationalization IN HIND SIGHT.

I'm wondering why God didn't instruct the OT Bible writers to just write what really happened instead of having them write accounts which are just exaggerations and not literal.

I can't imagine, for example, that back in the day when scientific knowledge was limited, that what the OT writers wrote regarding science and cosmology was not taken to be literal:

There are several statements in the OT that are not accurate and authentic to this day, eg.

- the earth is described as flat (Isaiah 11:12; Job 38:13; Jeremiah 16:19; Daniel 4:11; Matthew 4:8; Revelation 7:1),

- the earth is described as stationary (Psalms 93:1; 104:5; 96:10);

- the earth has a foundation and is resting on/held up by pillars - i.e., the earth is fixed:
1Samuel 2:8, Job 38:4, Proverbs 8:29, Micah 6:2, Jeremiah 31:37, Job 26:11; Psalm 104:3

- the earth is covered by a vault (dome) in which is fixed the stars and windows to let down rain (Genesis 7:11).

- the sun moves back and forth across the sky Ecclesiastes 1:5, (and can be stopped if necessary - Joshua's battle at Jericho)

- that the moon is a source of light,

- that daylight does not emanate from the sun itself,

- that the boundaries of the oceans are fixed ( think beach erosion),

- that water in the sky is suspended above a giant curtain (firmament),

- Genesis implies a flat earth with a sky dome holding back the waters of heaven, while windows are in place there to let rain in, while the land itself and the sky dome are held up by pillars. This is the sort of cosmogony that the ancient Babylonians had
https://gilgamesh42.wordpress.com/?s=pillar&submit=Search

- Biblical cosmology portrays a three tier universe (the heavens, earth, and the underworld).

- There are two contradictory stories of the Creation of the earth and the heavens in the book of Genesis, written either by different authors or an author drawing on different sources. In chapter 2:4-24, which is probably the oldest version of the story:
* creation takes place in the space of one day,
* man was made before any plants and animals
* and woman was made later after animals failed as suitable companions/helpers for man.

However, in chapter 1:
* creation occurs over six days,
* with plants, fish, birds, and animals created before man and woman,
* who were created at the same time,
* the plants were created before the sun - how did plants survive without sunlight?

Archaeology indicates an older age for mankind than that indicated by the account of Adam & Eve.
Archaeology has proven that death existed before Adam & Eve.

- Isaiah 11: The wolf and lamb lying down together, the predator and prey system abolished. “They will not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain”.

Can wolves, leopards and lambs actually dwell/lie down together?
Or if the calf and the young lion and the fatling can actually dwell/lie down together?
Can a little child safely lead wolves, leopards, and young lions?
Can wolves and lambs actually feed together, and lions eat straw like the bullock? Can carnivores become herbivores?

Imagine the scenario if all the carnivores/predators are transformed to herbivores and there is no more food chain: death would only be as a result of aging. With no more food chain, there would now be the potential risk of an out-of-control animal population.

I can't imagine that the foregoing writings weren't taken to be literal back in the day but in light of modern scientific evidence and proven knowledge the Jews have changed their viewpoint to conform to scientific reality and decided that these writings were not literal, but this no doubt results in distorting the original language and meaning.

Regards.