Posts by deegee

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

deegee

Unsure,

The silence of John on the three hours of darkness at midday and a resurrection of "many saints" who went into Jerusalem and "appeared to many" at the time of Jesus' crucifixion (Luke 23:44 Matt. 27:45 Mark 15:33) is confounding.

The apostle John was allegedly the author of the fourth gospel. If he was, then he would have been a witness to the crucifixion and the events that accompanied it, because John 19:26-27 claims that while Jesus was on the cross, he entrusted the care of his mother to "the disciple standing by whom he [Jesus] loved."

Later on, the gospel of John claims that it was written by the disciple whom Jesus loved (John 21:20-24). If all this information is true, then the writer of the gospel of John was present at the crucifixion to witness everything that happened there, yet John said nothing at all about three hours of darkness at midday or a resurrection of "many saints" who went into Jerusalem and "appeared to many."

Who can believe that a person who had seen such remarkable events as these would have written an account of that day without mentioning them?

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

deegee

Vanderhoven7,

There are no reports of Jesus' ascension to heaven outside of the Bible. No one else a part from a handful of his disciples saw it.

Such a supernatural event as this should have certainly been something that others, a part from those in the Bible, would have noticed and documented (Josephus et. al.).

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

deegee

Vanderhoven7,

It's indeed strange that no one else saw Jesus ascending to heaven except a handful of his disciples.

Even if you are not looking upwards and are looking straight ahead it’s still possible to see an upward motion rising towards to sky. Yet no one else saw Jesus’ ascension only a handful of his disciples did.

It's even stranger how every eye will see Jesus when he returns yet only a handful of his disciples saw him when he was ascending to heaven (Revelation 1:7).

ALSO, if a person claims to be the son of God then most naturally there will have to be supernatural events to convince people of this since anybody can claim to be God's son.

Jesus' ascension to heaven would have been a very easy opportunity for God to capitalize on in order to convince & convert the Jews.

If they weren't interested in being converted, we should at least hear reports about it from the Jews if they were eyewitnesses a part from what is stated in the Bible.

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

deegee

The ascension proves that Jesus didn't visit India or the new world, have children and set up an earthly kingdom in Britain---------Vanderhoven7

It's indeed strange that no one else saw Jesus ascending to heaven except a handful of his disciples.

Even if you are not looking upwards and are looking straight ahead it’s still possible to see an upward motion rising towards to sky. Yet no one else saw Jesus’ ascension only a handful of his disciples did.

This would certainly have been a very easy opportunity to convince and convert the Jews.

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

deegee

Unsure,

Isn’t it strange that the only people why saw the Jesus guy ascending to heaven after his resurrection were a handful of his disciples? No one else saw.

Apparently people weren’t in the habit of looking up back in the day. Even if you are not looking upwards and are looking straight ahead it’s still possible to see an upward motion rising towards to sky. Yet no one else saw Jesus’ ascension only a handful of his disciples did.

Can you imagine if all those Jews saw Jesus being taken up into heaven? Instant conversion and the stories they would tell! Mission accomplished with ease!

- after all didn’t Jesus say he was sent only to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24)

- this would have been the perfect antidote to Jesus' lament that he often longed to gather the children of Israel together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings but they were not willing (Matthew 23:37,38; Luke 13:35)

Imagine if there was a heavenly host with trumpets etc making a big announcement as Jesus ascended into heaven. Imagine the amount of persons that that one occurrence could have converted. This would have been a very easy opportunity for god to let everyone know about his son.

There would have been no need for his disciples to preach after all of that.

Strange how every eye will see Jesus when he returns yet only a handful of his disciples saw him when he was ascending to heaven (Revelation 1:7).

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

deegee

PS: I'm glad to know you're not coveting my ox or my donkey! -------jp 1692

LOL that just had to be in the Ten Commandnents:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xnZlJMl4J8

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Jesus Christ was anti-family

by deegee in

strong family ties & family values did not matter to jesus:.

- a person must hate his or her family and themselves in order to be jesus’ disciple (matthew 10:37; luke 14:26).

- jesus will give a big reward to those who forsake their family, abandon their home, leave their family behind for him.

deegee

Strong family ties & family values did not matter to Jesus:

- A person must hate his or her family and themselves in order to be Jesus’ disciple (Matthew 10:37; Luke 14:26)

- Jesus will give a big reward to those who forsake their family, abandon their home, leave their family behind for him. Parents, siblings, spouses and children are of no importance in comparison with the coming Kingdom (Luke 5:11, 9:59-62, 14:26, 33; 18:28-30; Matthew 10:37, 19:27-30; Mark 10:28-31)

- Familial rifts will be created. Jesus said he came to destroy families by making family members hate each other (Luke 12:51-53; Matthew 10:34-46)

- Family tensions will be heightened, families and friendships will be torn apart because of Jesus (Matthew 10:21; Mark 13:12; Luke 12:52-53; 21:16)

- Jesus disrespected his close family relationships. He insulted and spurned his family publicly for rejecting his message (Matthew 12:46-50; Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:20-21, 11:27-28)

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Are you a Christian Who Accepts Evolution?

by cofty in

if you identify as a christian but you have accepted that the diversity of life - including humans - resulted from a process of biological evolution could you add your name please?.

just to be clear i am referring to the fact that our physical lineage could literally be traced back all the way to non-human species.. if you like maybe you could comment on why you see not conflict between evolution and your christian faith.. there is a tendency to conflate evolution with atheism.

it would be good to show that this is not the case..

deegee

When I was in high school, my Biology teacher who was a Catholic nun, told me that evolution is true.

I of course thought that she was pure evil being an indoctrinated and brainwashed JW at the time.

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The point at which you think this may not be the truth

by LevelThePlayingField in

i remember one of the nights that i found out the truth wasn't the truth, that is after finding out about the united nations, i remember riding my bicycle from like 1am till 5am in the city night.

it was rather chilly, maybe about 55-60 degrees and i was playing pink floyd's dark side of the moon album in my earbuds.

just riding and riding, not really tiring because of the thought that 7 men in brooklyn had duped me, duped me for like 20 plus years.

deegee

LevelThePlayingField >>>> I asked God that night to show me the truth, no matter what. Good, bad or ugly. And over the last four years he has shown to me that the truth as JW's know it isn't the truth

I am always curious when someone claims that God showed them something.

How does God do this?

Why didn't God show you that the truth as JW's know it isn't the truth from the very beginning?

Don't mean to sound insensitive to your waking up, I'm just curious when people make these claims.

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Evolutionist on their deathbed.

by Nimble duck in

i would really like to read the thoughts of an evolutionist as they lie on their deathbed.

their "honest to nogod" thoughts.

their terrors.

deegee

Old Navy>>>>Are you looking forward to dying or would you rather live?

doubtfull1799>>>>It doesn't change reality. I can't stand the idea of ceasing to exist, the thought that life will go on without me. Wishing it to be otherwise unfortunately does not make it so, and is not evidence that there is an afterlife. I'm sure on my deathbed, when facing the reality of my mortality mores than now, I will wish that it didn't have to be that way, that I could live on in another realm. But again, it will make no difference to reality.