deegee

Joined

• started 23 topics
• posted 476 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by deegee

• 
  20

  Do Jehovah's witnesses take therapy?

  by Gokumonkey in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i know two jehovah's witnesses couple.

  the husband had a rough upbringing.

  his father left him at a young age, leaving his mom and himself to take care of his siblings.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  See also:

  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/psychiatry.php
• 
  20

  Do Jehovah's witnesses take therapy?

  by Gokumonkey in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i know two jehovah's witnesses couple.

  the husband had a rough upbringing.

  his father left him at a young age, leaving his mom and himself to take care of his siblings.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  WT 1996, p. 30, "Questions from Readers":

  "Some, suffering severely from schizophrenia, bipolar disorder…and other distressing disorders, have been able to live fairly normal lives after obtaining the right professional help, (but) in many cases the patient does not have a severe mental disorder but has difficulty coping with some situation in life. However, it is the Bible that gives the most effective help in handling the difficult problems of life......The Bible encourages such ones to call on the Elders for help and counsel......"The prayer of faith will make the indisposed one well." "
  
• 
  20

  Do Jehovah's witnesses take therapy?

  by Gokumonkey in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i know two jehovah's witnesses couple.

  the husband had a rough upbringing.

  his father left him at a young age, leaving his mom and himself to take care of his siblings.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  WT 1993, p. 13, "Trust in Jehovah":
  

  “Worldly counselors and psychologists can never hope to approach the wisdom and understanding that Jehovah displays.......Rather than lean on the wisdom of prominent men of the world or on our own uninformed emotions, let us look to Jehovah, his Word and the Elders in the Christian congregation for advice."
• 
  61

  Set the record straight!

  by Colinconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to state publicly, on this forum, i no longer hold the views i had a year ago.. with much thought, research, study and logical examination i have come to a better understanding of my beliefs and where i stand on all these issues.. i'm very happy to announce i have returned to healthful teaching of the holy scriptures and i firmly believe that the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is the faithful slave.. sorry if i have contibuted to any kind of stumbling and know that if i can turn things around then there's hope for all who come to there sence.. phill4:6,7.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  I firmly believe that the Governing body of Jehovah's witnesses is the faithful slave ~ Colinconfuzzed

  They didn't even believe that about themselves when Jesus supposedly chose the WT as his only spokesperson in 1919.
  

  The initial belief was that their founder Charles Taze Russell was the FDS. That was subsequently changed to the 144,000 and more recently to just the governing body.

  It looks like both you and the WT are confused - Colinconfuzzed & WTconfuzzed
  
  
• 
  61

  Set the record straight!

  by Colinconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to state publicly, on this forum, i no longer hold the views i had a year ago.. with much thought, research, study and logical examination i have come to a better understanding of my beliefs and where i stand on all these issues.. i'm very happy to announce i have returned to healthful teaching of the holy scriptures and i firmly believe that the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is the faithful slave.. sorry if i have contibuted to any kind of stumbling and know that if i can turn things around then there's hope for all who come to there sence.. phill4:6,7.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  People have been taught for so long that God wrote the Bible and that he communicates with persons that to believe otherwise frightens them.
  

  It frightens people to acknowledge that God did not write the Bible.
  

  It frightens people to acknowledge that God does not speak to anyone.
  

  It frightens people to acknowledge that death is the end of them. Belief helps people feel good about their mortality.
  

  Some people just can't wrap their heads around these things.
  
• 
  61

  Set the record straight!

  by Colinconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to state publicly, on this forum, i no longer hold the views i had a year ago.. with much thought, research, study and logical examination i have come to a better understanding of my beliefs and where i stand on all these issues.. i'm very happy to announce i have returned to healthful teaching of the holy scriptures and i firmly believe that the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is the faithful slave.. sorry if i have contibuted to any kind of stumbling and know that if i can turn things around then there's hope for all who come to there sence.. phill4:6,7.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  There, there Colinconfused we understand. Cognitive dissonance is too much for some people to handle.

  I ended up in the JW religion because of a JW's cognitive dissonance.

  In hindsight I realized that she couldn't deal with the failed 1975 end of the world prediction or the fact that JWs destroy families, among other things, so she doubled down which resulted in my becoming a victim of childhood indoctrination.
• 
  21

  The WatchTower conductor lied on stage

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on sunday morning in the watchtower study, a "study" who was their for the 1st time put his hand up and said; "i have a question.

  when the paragraph says give up everything, it doesn't really mean give up everything like the pearl merchant, does it, like be willing to lose my modest house, cheap car and other basics i own?

  i mean, that sounds a bit much".. the watchtower conductor said in response; "no, it's just a parable and it doesn't mean give up everything.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  Wasn’t Jesus the one who told the parable of the pearl of great price?

  What Jesus meant by this parable is evident by the way he and his disciples lived their lives – THEY GAVE UP EVERYTHING:

  Matthew 6:19-21, 25-34; 7:21; 13:44-46; 19:21-30

  Mark 8:36-37; 10: 13-25, 28 - 30

  Luke 6:24-25; 9:23-24, 59 – 62; 12:22-34; 14:33; 18:28

  Who wants to be poor like Jesus?

  Apparently the WT study conductor is realizing that this is not sensible.

  Christianity, like every other religion, is only popular to the point where it gives something to the adherents. When it asks something that seems unreasonable, then common survival sense kicks in. If Christians were to embrace the full message of Jesus they would have no money or a career, they would be sworn to poverty.

  This message has not, for the most part, been overwhelmingly popular among people who call themselves Jesus’ followers. Christian denominations have instead opted to pick and choose from among the surviving words of Jesus, selecting the elements of his message that they find to be personally palatable.

  The majority of believers are following the party line of their particular church and if it doesn’t suit them, they change churches. Each church leader has to not only attract new customers but also hang on to the ones s/he already has – tread cautiously less they walk away seems to be the policy.

  There are no real Christians except for nuns, monks (and the Shakers), when it comes to these radical sayings of Jesus. No wonder people like Joel Osteen have become so popular:

  
  

  
  
• 
  10

  “For God so love the world …

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not be destroyed but have everlasting life” (john 3:16).. it just occurred to me that if parents were to follow this scripture, they would put their children to death if their children don’t obey/agree with them.

  .

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  Simon,

  ?????

  So which examples of God are we supposed to follow?

  I thought we were supposed to imitate God/Jesus?
  
• 
  10

  “For God so love the world …

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not be destroyed but have everlasting life” (john 3:16).. it just occurred to me that if parents were to follow this scripture, they would put their children to death if their children don’t obey/agree with them.

  .

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  ... that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not be destroyed but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

  It just occurred to me that if parents were to follow this scripture, they would put their children to death if their children don’t obey/agree with them.

  
  
• 
  3

  Drugs, prayer & altered states of consciousness

  by deegee in

  1. social
  2. humour

  have you got your "fix" yet?.

  hallucinogens are known to induce altered states of consciousness..........but so can prayer:.

  acts 10:9-23: "on the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  deegee

  Have you got your "fix" yet?
  

  Hallucinogens are known to induce altered states of consciousness..........but so can prayer:

  Acts 10:9-23:
  "On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour TO PRAY. But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, HE FELL INTO A TRANCE; and he saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. A voice came to him, "Get up, Peter, kill and eat!" But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean." Again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."

  This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky. Now while Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen might be, behold, the men who had been sent by Cornelius, having asked directions for Simon's house, appeared at the gate; and calling out, they were asking whether Simon, who was also called Peter, was staying there. While Peter was reflecting on the vision, The spirit said to him, "Behold, three men are looking for you. "But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself."

  Acts 11:4-18:
  "But Peter began speaking and proceeded to explain to them in orderly sequence, saying, "I was in the City of Joppa PRAYING; and IN A TRANCE I saw a vision, an object coming down like a great sheet lowered by four corners from the sky; and it came right down to me, and when I had fixed my gaze on it and was observing it I saw the four-footed animals of the earth and the wild beasts and the crawling creatures and the birds of the air.
  "I also heard a voice saying to me, 'Get up, Peter; kill and eat.' "But I said, 'By no means, Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean has ever entered my mouth.' "But a voice from heaven answered a second time, 'What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.' "This happened three times, and everything was drawn back up into the sky. "And behold, at that moment three men appeared at the house in which we were staying, having been sent to me from Caesarea. "The spirit told me to go with them without misgivings.

  Acts 22:17-21:
  “It happened when I returned to Jerusalem and was PRAYING at the temple, I FELL INTO A TRANCE and saw the Lord speaking to me. ‘Quick!’ he said.‘Leave Jerusalem immediately, because the people here will not accept your testimony about me.’

  Ain't nothing like a "fix" of prayer!
  

  No wonder the Bible insists that we should "pray without ceasing" (1 Thessalonians 5:17)!