Posts by deegee

paradisewas it really paradise to be in paradise?adam and eve never were held by a mother, never cuddled and sung to with a lullaby nor nursed or coddled with tenderness or any human familial embrace.

the first humans (adam and eve) never learned to toddle surrounded by brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and grandparents cheering them on.

the entire experience of childhood was excised surgically like a trauma patient awakening from an accident with amnesia.adam and eve were never in a neighborhood with other kids forming friendship bonds for life and exchanging dreams and hopes for a future they were building in their community.

deegee

David_Jay,

Did you read Terry's comments above?

TERRY WAS RAPED WHILE IN PRISON! HE ENDED UP IN PRISON BECAUSE OF HIS BELIEF IN GOD.

Terry:
I prayed constantly...........I read my Bible and memorized verses and went over the "meaning" constantly.
I was a sponge and all things God were soaking into me for survival and to stave off panic and terror.
Once I arrived in Federal prison and joined about 40 other Brothers, we had 5 meetings each week and special study sessions on the side.
I had become a TRUE BELIEVER.
I was actually a fanatic.
The letters I wrote read like a wide-eyed cult member in every way.
There's no doubt in my mind--I was talking to God (inside my head) day and night and my sense of His presence was palpable.
Then I was sexually attacked and I went into a kind of recoil and shock.
Even though Jehovah had obviously deserted me at the moment I cried out to Him for help--I made excuses.

David_Jay:
God is not like a fairy that grants wishes.

WOW! Pity Terry didn't know beforehand that God doesn't help persons and that a relationship with God is one-sided:

Terry:
Because I was there for Him and He wasn't there for me - I slowly turned my anger on myself rather than blame Almighty up above.
I was a walking, talking case study in cognitive dissonance.

David_Jay:
........that led him (Terry) to a conclusion about God that made him believe that God doesn't listen, and that prayers are ineffective.

HOWEVER

David_Jay:
God is not like a fairy that grants wishes.

?????????????

So how is Terry or anyone for that matter supposed to know that God is listening and prayer is effective if God doesn't help when persons ask for help?

What's the point of prayer then?

David_Jay:
Jews and early Christians recited the Psalms as prayers three times a day and a fouth before retiring at night. They used an assigned cycle to cover all 150 over a quick period of time and restart again, and had a selected library for needs like mourning, personal requests, sickness, intercessions, thanksgiving, etc. Rarely was a prayer spontaneous.

So God will only listen to your prayer if it is not spontaneous?

David_Jay:
Paul, at Romans, was saying that these words were the Spirit of God saying the words that God wanted us to say yet which were too great for us mortals to come up with. So we could learn from reciting them and didn't need to worry that God didn't listen when we used certain ones to ask for help or requests.

So the Spirit of God is interceding on our behalf, saying the words on our behalf that God wants us to say including asking for help or requests.

YET,

David_Jay:
God is not like a fairy that grants wishes.

So God doesn't even answer his own prayers?

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Using history as a means to pinpoint possible future events.

by HealthySkeptic in

the purpose of this thread is to share some history with the community.

i am an active jw.

the reason i picked this forum is due to the openness and ease with which information can be accessed.

deegee

Someone said the WT has run out of ideas. HealthySkeptic could be the next Freddie Franz if s/he joins the WT's writing department real quick.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

deegee

it's a reverse Nigerian financial scam.

LOL!

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Paradise? Was it?

by TerryWalstrom in

paradisewas it really paradise to be in paradise?adam and eve never were held by a mother, never cuddled and sung to with a lullaby nor nursed or coddled with tenderness or any human familial embrace.

the first humans (adam and eve) never learned to toddle surrounded by brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and grandparents cheering them on.

the entire experience of childhood was excised surgically like a trauma patient awakening from an accident with amnesia.adam and eve were never in a neighborhood with other kids forming friendship bonds for life and exchanging dreams and hopes for a future they were building in their community.

deegee

David_Jay,

It seems you and Terry are saying the same thing about prayer.

Terry:

It was around 1989 when I was lying in bed one night praying that I suddenly myself WOKE UP and realized the painful truth: I was just talking to myself.

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Paradise? Was it?

by TerryWalstrom in

paradisewas it really paradise to be in paradise?adam and eve never were held by a mother, never cuddled and sung to with a lullaby nor nursed or coddled with tenderness or any human familial embrace.

the first humans (adam and eve) never learned to toddle surrounded by brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and grandparents cheering them on.

the entire experience of childhood was excised surgically like a trauma patient awakening from an accident with amnesia.adam and eve were never in a neighborhood with other kids forming friendship bonds for life and exchanging dreams and hopes for a future they were building in their community.

deegee

Fisherman,

So God helps the blind man but he didn't help Terry? Why?

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Using history as a means to pinpoint possible future events.

by HealthySkeptic in

the purpose of this thread is to share some history with the community.

i am an active jw.

the reason i picked this forum is due to the openness and ease with which information can be accessed.

deegee

The "aliens" have also been aiding man in developing technology.

Is this someone from the WT's writing department?........and someone said the WT was out of ideas? LOL

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2017 Annual Meeting

by Jules Saturn in

this just in from the 2017 annual meeting:.

1. watchtowers and awakes won't be released regularly, at least three watchtower and awakes per year.

6 magazines a year.. 2. a new book is being released: remain in god's love, more of an update like how they did for the what does the bible really teach book.

deegee

Jules,

A couple years ago, maybe about 10 years ago, I came across a recording of a talk via the internet given by a Bethelite I believe, who claimed that Matthew 24:14 had already been fulfilled from back then (maybe you could do an internet search for this talk).

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Everlasting life on a stick

by truthseeker in

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friends

i think the watchtower is the only organization that can promise a product (everlasting life) and never deliver it.. what fools we've been to believe this nonsense..

deegee

No other denomination teaches that persons will escape death. This is how everlasting life becomes a carrot on a stick.

Other denominations accept that death is inevitable, it's a fact of life but their soul will live on in heaven after their physical body dies.

During my childhood indoctrination I recall the JW sister who studied with me quoted Job 33:25 from a WT publication:

"let their flesh be renewed like a child’s; let them be restored as in the days of their youth".

As I recall, the publication (possibly a WT magazine) had a picture showing the aging process of an old man being reversed. The sister claimed that this is how it will be in Paradise. After leaving the JWs I realized that this scripture was not describing the reversal of aging during some future Paradise.

It was interesting that when I told persons in FS that God's plan is for them to live forever on a Paradise earth, some would remark that I was speaking nonsense and being unrealistic because as far as they know, you live and then you die at some point, that's just the way life is. I thought they were mistaken, too blind to see, because as per my JW brainwashing, this is what God's original plan was for mankind.

It is said that religion satisfies psychological needs. Young people, especially, are given to idealism and this was true of me. My idealism, among other things (dysfunctional, stressed family life) made me easy pickings for the WT's live forever on a Paradise earth ideology.