Posts by deegee

Despite the heavens reigning over the entire universe and the myriad of distant planets, Jesus decided to banish Satan to OUR planet. God keeps feeding into Satan's desire to harm and destroy His creation instead of simply casting him and the demons to some obscure, gaseous ball of hydrogen 45 billion light years away------ Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5723594749378560/satan-heaven

Good thing God didn’t confine the devil and the demons to the galaxy farthest from earth after the war in heaven (Revelation 12) so that you could have some paranormal stories to tell.

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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)

by rulehayl in

jw
friends

hi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.

my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.

she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.

deegee

rulehayl,

Just so that you know:

There is no Armageddon coming. You are not going to escape death to live forever on a Paradise earth™.

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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)

by rulehayl in

jw
friends

hi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.

my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.

she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.

deegee

RuleHayl continuing,

What do you hope to achieve by becoming a JW?

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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)

by rulehayl in

jw
friends

hi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.

my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.

she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.

deegee

RuleHayl,

Just curious, what about the JWs attracted you to them?

Why have you decided to join the JWs instead of any other religion?

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

deegee

Knowsnothing,

Further to my point above about meditation being used either to supposedly draw close to God or as one of the ways to induce a trance-like state prior to channelling/spirit-mediumship:

Meditation can also induce psychosis:

https://thehumanist.com/magazine/september-october-2007/features/can-meditation-be-bad-for-you

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/meditation-is-touted-as-a-cure-for-mental-instability-but-can-it-actually-be-bad-for-you-10268291.html?amp

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_meditation_have_negative_side_effects/amp

http://health.spectator.co.uk/what-mindfulness-gurus-dont-tell-you-meditation-has-a-dark-side/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17848828/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7018043/related/

ALSO GOOGLE:

- "Can meditation be bad for you"

- "Meditation-induced psychosis"

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All of this has made me realize that for whatever purpose mediation is used - be it drawing close to God or creating the trance-like state for channelling/spirit mediumship - God or demons or other spirit beings do not communicate with or put thoughts in people's minds.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

deegee

I'd like to know what conclusion you've arrived at ~ Knowsnothing

I did some research on altered and dissociative states of consciousness because of what I personally experienced.

I used to follow the WT's and an elder's advice to draw close to God through prayer and meditation. Unknown to me, my attempts to meditate and draw close to God resulted in self-induced trances/self-induced altered states of consciousness.

While in this state, I used to feel as if I were on a higher plane, in direct communion with God. There was a feeling of union/oneness with God, a feeling of having accomplished a unitive fusion, merging, becoming one with God, being consumed in a pure union which felt satisfying.

I felt so close to, connected with God in the very presence of God. I thought I was having the most direct and immediate experience of God, by becoming his living vessel. I would feel a state of exultation, inner peace and tranquillity.

There was a sense of newly acquired knowledge (noesis) or understanding. I also experienced visions, auditory hallucinations. I became clairvoyant and psychic. I even experienced channelling/automatic writing/hypergraphia, a rapid and incessant flooding of my mind with thoughts and the compulsion to write them down (I could actually have become a spirit medium!)

I used to think that God was speaking to me, guiding me, leading me, directing me, showing me things, putting thoughts in my mind but then realized that by following this supposed communication from God I was in fact making myself unstable and creating unwanted chaos in my life.

Once I stopped deep prayer and meditation, this supposed communication from God stopped. I began to research what was happening to me only to discover that when I entered a deep meditative state thinking that I was drawing close to God, I was actually self-inducing a trance, an altered/dissociative state of consciousness.

Entering an altered state of consciousness involves a transition from the left brain to the right brain whereby the rational left brain is suppressed and quieted and the perceptive faculties of the intuitive right brain are awakened.

You then begin to descend to the unknown, inner world of your subconscious mind, to the deeper levels, inner recesses of your consciousness, releasing thoughts, impressions, visions, images, voices, words etc. from the deep intuitive levels of the right brain - your subconscious mind begins to "speak" to you.

You begin to unlock a deep level of consciousness where psychic and extrasensory perception can be done.

I then realized that deep meditative states sent my subconscious mind into overdrive and unleashed the voices, images, thoughts, words, impressions, visions etc buried there.

This personal experience is how I know that God or demons or any other spirit being does not speak to persons or put thoughts into a person's mind.

I also leant about the unconscious dynamics of the human mind:

Information enters our brains minutely, hourly, daily at the conscious and unconscious levels. Some of the unconscious information never makes its way to the conscious mind for active processing but remains in our subconscious - hypnosis has proven to be an effective method in accessing/uncovering information buried in a person's subconscious.

There is always background activity taking place in our brains when we are awake and asleep and there is also a constant interplay between the conscious and subconscious mind - some information from the unconscious mind makes its way to the conscious mind for active processing and vice versa - thoughts/issues/concerns from the conscious mind can get pushed out of consciousness into the unconscious mind.

Our minds are never perfectly still. There is always subtle processing going on in which we can't consciously identify the thoughts in terms of clear words or clear images. There are rapid and fleeting associations taking place in the subconscious mind.

Subtle processing or preconscious or subconscious processing gives rise to conscious self-talk and imaging, however, not all unconscious information makes its way to the conscious mind for active processing some remains in our subconscious and can be accessed/uncovered by methods like hypnosis.

Thoughts, impressions, visions, images, voices, words, etc. can also be released from our subconscious when we engage in certain intense practices like intense/deep/strong prayer, meditation, fasting etc. which can alter a person's state of consciousness to the point where, the person descends to deeper levels of his/her consciousness, unleashing thoughts, impressions, visions, images, voices, words etc. from the deep mind.

When a person is channeling/acting as a medium, they enter a self-induced trance, an altered state of consciousness prior to the commencement of their channelling/mediumship. This altered state is brought about by meditation, self-hypnosis etc.

I believe that when brain scans of these persons show that one part of such person's brain shuts down and another part takes over, the scans are perhaps showing what I described above - the transition from thel eft brain to the right brain whereby the rational left brain is suppressed and quieted and the perceptive faculties of the intuitive right brain are awakened.

My personal experience also showed me that one can meditate in order to supposedly draw close to God but you can also do the same thing as a channeller/spirit medium to "contact" the spirit world - you can meditate to the point of inducing a trance and alter your state of consciousness so that you can become a channel for discarnate spirits.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

deegee

knowsnothing,

I would also like to suggest that you do some extensive research/reading about DISSOCIATIVE STATES OF CONSCIOUSNESS - a university library would be a good resource for such research.

Also of interest in this regard, is the work done by Felicitas Goodman which includes her books: "How About Demons"; "Trance, Healing, and Hallucination: Three Field Studies in Religious Experience" and more.

Kind regards.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

deegee

knowsnothing,

Did you carefully read the actual study itself:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0049360

AS WELL AS

ALL of the authors' viewpoints and readers' comments in ALL of the articles which I posted?

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

deegee

What I can tell you is that spirits are real, from personal experience ~ knowsnothing

It doesn't seem that your view is supported by the brain scans which have been done of people who are channellers, spirit mediums etc:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0049360

http://www.andrewnewberg.com/in-the-news/channeling-spirits-shuts-down-parts-of-brain

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/361882/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/neuronarrative/201212/study-finds-the-unexpected-in-the-brains-spirit-mediums-0

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/25055-medium-brain-trance-writing.html

https://www.seeker.com/amphtml/channeling-spirits-shuts-down-parts-of-brain-1766310573.html

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/brain-games/articles/your-brain-on-god/

https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.amp/articleNo/33312/title/Brain-Waves-from-the-Beyond/