Their Jesus has been busy all these years GUIDING the Governing Body in circles.
........lol
deegee
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Considering God's 'failure'
by TerryWalstrom injehovah's "failure".
we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.
the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .
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deegee
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
Daniel made a failed prediction about the final fate of the Kings of the North & South.
The JWs and other religion's solution to this is to keep reinterpreting the failed prophecy and projecting its fulfillment into the future.
When Bible prophecies fail just keep reinterpreting them and projecting their fulfillment into the future since the Bible must be true.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
Some of the comments indicate that this is not the first time that the WT has named Russia. But as far as I know this is the first time that the WT has named Russia. Previously they claimed it was the Soviet Union (USSR) which I suppose posters are equating with Russia. But the Soviet Union (USSR) and Russia are separate entities. The Soviet Union (USSR) consisted of about 15 states and it no longer exists. It just so happens that Russia was one of those 15 states.
Russia is not the Soviet Union (USSR), there were 14 other countries in addition to Russia which were a part of it.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
Ishmael vs Isaac....Islam vs "Christianity".....simple. Who rules over the oil...the hidden riches...
But watch out for Germany and neo nazisim....tikiIs this what Daniel was really prophesying about, Islam vs Christianity and neo-nazism? This is just another reinterpretation of a failed Bible prophecy.
BTW, Germany is also old light for the JWs.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
ALSO, the multiple ways in which the WT and others have predicted the fulfillment of this prophecy shows that this "prophecy" was not a valid prophecy in the first place.
For a prophecy to be valid It must not allow for a multitude of possible interpretations or events, it can only be fulfilled in one way not multiple ways.
It must be clear and unambiguous so that its meaning cannot be misinterpreted or changed; and it should not be just a logical guess about an impending event.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
The King of the North-South prophecy of Daniel 11 is one of the many failed prophecies in the Bible.
However JWs and other end times religions keep recycling this prophecy and projecting its fulfillment into the future despite their failed predictions.
According to the WT, in the modern age the King if the North has been Germany and then the USSR.
From about the 1950s the WT claimed that the “king of the south” in Daniel 11 was fulfilled in Britain and America, and “the king of the north” in the Soviet Union (USSR). (Your Will Be Done On Earth 1958, pp 263 & 278).
The WT's Your Will Be Done book stated:
– …the Soviet Union (USSR), the Communist power, that since it seized power in Russia in 1917, has held world domination as its aim to this day (i.e. up to 1958 at the time of the book’s publication).( p. 278)
– Down to the ‘time of the end’ at Armageddon there will be competitive coexistence between the ‘two kings’. (p. 297)
– Jehovah’s angel foretold further aggressions by the Communist king of the north before his end at Armageddon. (p. 300)
– The Soviet Union (USSR) will gain control of most of the world and its wealth and resources including oil.(pp 297, 303)
– The Soviet Union (USSR) will then be terrified by reports issued by the WT and initiate an attack against JWs. (pp 304-305)
– Finally the Soviet Union (USSR) and America will join forces to attack the JWs which leads to the annihilation of both America and the Soviet Union. (pp 306-307)
– Billions of people on earth who are not JWs will at that time be destroyed. (p. 347)
As we all know, the Soviet Union (USSR) collapsed during the early 1990s and has fragmented into a Commonwealth of Independent States and former Soviet republics, despite the WT's predictions that the Soviet Union will competitively exist until Armageddon, and will fall at that time after aggressions against the rest of the world.
In a previous WT book, The New World (1942), “The king of the north” was quite different and “included the Central Powers, or imperial Germany, Roman-Catholic Austria-Hungary, Roman Catholic Italy and Vatican…Japan…” (p. 324).
An even earlier WT book, Thy Kingdom Come (1891), applied the latter part of Daniel chapter 11 to the Napoleonic period in 1799.
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JWFacts is incorrect about "Holy Spirit". Do YOU know about the 40 or so years the WT taught there was NO holy spirit?
by Bad_Wolf ini did my own extensive research as i was getting out, and by exploring actual changes and mentions of core doctrine, i learned how it came about that the gb teach that only they know the truth and only they get holy spirit.
i was checking if jwfacts had it, and although they mention many older articles, it seems they didn't realize they taught there was no holy spirit.
this was a real big eye opener for me, so thought i'd share it, and curious if any of you knew about this yourselves????.
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deegee
Yes, I remember that they used to teach that only the GB has the Holy Spirit to direct them then sometime during the 1990s they changed that to claim that all JWs have access to the Holy Spirit, it directs all JWs.
Specifically, I remember the change being mentioned during a WT study and I was taken aback by it as I recalled that all along they insisted that only the GB had the Holy Spirit. This was one of the changes that sparked the beginning of my awareness of their doctrinal flip-flops.
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JW's Would Stay With The Org Even If 1914 Was Dropped
by pale.emperor ini asked the question on quora: .
if the governing body abandoned the 1914 teaching, would you leave jehovah's witnesses or you would remain a member regardless?.
https://www.quora.com/if-the-governing-body-abandoned-the-1914-teaching-would-you-leave-jehovahs-witnesses-or-you-would-remain-a-member-regardless.
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deegee
Maybe they will have more luck with 70CE since Preterism is a bit popular.
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What if Damascus is destroyed fulfilling Isaiah 17 prophecy?
by sinboi ini don't think the wt ever say anything about this prophecy.
if they did, i think they will say it is symbolic and that it doesn't mean damascus will be destroyed literally,.
but watching the things happening now in syria , it seems very possible that it could happen.. if this prophecy comes true, will those of you here who have rejected the bible as the word of god think twice regarding the bible?.
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deegee
Sinboi,
Isaiah's prophecy regarding the destruction of Damascus is actually a failed prophecy.
Some persons can't accept that Bible prophecies have failed, they rather reinterpret them and project them into the future (BTW, this also applies to Jesus' failed end of the world prophecy).
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What if Damascus is destroyed fulfilling Isaiah 17 prophecy?
by sinboi ini don't think the wt ever say anything about this prophecy.
if they did, i think they will say it is symbolic and that it doesn't mean damascus will be destroyed literally,.
but watching the things happening now in syria , it seems very possible that it could happen.. if this prophecy comes true, will those of you here who have rejected the bible as the word of god think twice regarding the bible?.
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deegee
What LoveUniHateExams said.
Isaiah was writing about Israel’s ancient conflicts with Syria.
Isaiah's focus was on what was happening in his world and what God would do about it in the near future in delivering Israel from her enemies and kicking the other nations butts - or happily allowing them to join the party if they bow the knee to Yahweh.
Isaiah (and the other prophets of Israel) were not concerned with “end times prophecies.”
The biblical records of ancient hostilities are simply NOT veiled references for what is going on in whatever moment we happen to be living in.
Don’t drag Israel’s ancient conflicts with Syria into what is happening now and call it God’s will for today.