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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

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  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  deegee

  According to WT publications "world powers" in JW land means those found in the Bible who have oppressed, opposed, supported, aided etc God's chosen people the Israelites because either God allowed it or they were God's instruments or it was somehow a part of the divine plan.

  Not all world powers fall into this category of course and so if you don't know world history you would conclude (as I did when I was a young brainwashed JW) that the only world powers to have existed are those mentioned in the Bible and by the JWs.
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  Considering God's 'failure'

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  jehovah's "failure".

  we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.

  the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .

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  deegee

  Terry,

  Maybe God made humans inferior for a reason – he did it for his entertainment. The re-engineered/afterlife/next life existence is rather boring. It’s by far much more entertaining to have an existence with a lot of drama, mayhem, mishaps, thrills, spills, disaster, tragedy………..our inferior existence is God’s blockbuster.

  God hasn't failed, he's just having fun at our expense.
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  Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Jules Saturn in

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  it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

  for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

  very interesting times!

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  deegee

  @Corney:

  Thanks. I need to brush up on my history RE: Russia and the USSR.
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  Considering God's 'failure'

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  jehovah's "failure".

  we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.

  the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .

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  deegee

  JESUS FAILED and there are forty thousand denominations eager to make slightly different arguments as to why it only appears to be failure IF you come to their church and believe their proprietary nonsense.

  I can't understand how Christians claim that they pray to God for guidance, direction and understanding and they insist that God inserts thoughts into their minds and speaks to them yet they arrive at 40,000 different explanations about God. Is God telling each denomination something different?
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  Considering God's 'failure'

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  jehovah's "failure".

  we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.

  the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .

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  deegee

  Their Jesus has been busy all these years GUIDING the Governing Body in circles.

  
  

  ........lol

  
  
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  Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Jules Saturn in

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  it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

  for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

  very interesting times!

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  deegee

  Daniel made a failed prediction about the final fate of the Kings of the North & South.

  The JWs and other religion's solution to this is to keep reinterpreting the failed prophecy and projecting its fulfillment into the future.

  When Bible prophecies fail just keep reinterpreting them and projecting their fulfillment into the future since the Bible must be true.
  
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  Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Jules Saturn in

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  2. beliefs

  it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

  for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

  very interesting times!

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  deegee

  Some of the comments indicate that this is not the first time that the WT has named Russia. But as far as I know this is the first time that the WT has named Russia. Previously they claimed it was the Soviet Union (USSR) which I suppose posters are equating with Russia. But the Soviet Union (USSR) and Russia are separate entities. The Soviet Union (USSR) consisted of about 15 states and it no longer exists. It just so happens that Russia was one of those 15 states.

  Russia is not the Soviet Union (USSR), there were 14 other countries in addition to Russia which were a part of it.
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  Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

  for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

  very interesting times!

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  deegee

  Ishmael vs Isaac....Islam vs "Christianity".....simple. Who rules over the oil...the hidden riches...
  But watch out for Germany and neo nazisim....tiki

  Is this what Daniel was really prophesying about, Islam vs Christianity and neo-nazism? This is just another reinterpretation of a failed Bible prophecy.

  BTW, Germany is also old light for the JWs.
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  Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

  for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

  very interesting times!

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  deegee

  ALSO, the multiple ways in which the WT and others have predicted the fulfillment of this prophecy shows that this "prophecy" was not a valid prophecy in the first place.

  For a prophecy to be valid It must not allow for a multitude of possible interpretations or events, it can only be fulfilled in one way not multiple ways.

  It must be clear and unambiguous so that its meaning cannot be misinterpreted or changed; and it should not be just a logical guess about an impending event.
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  Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.

  for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.

  very interesting times!

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  deegee

  The King of the North-South prophecy of Daniel 11 is one of the many failed prophecies in the Bible.

  However JWs and other end times religions keep recycling this prophecy and projecting its fulfillment into the future despite their failed predictions.

  According to the WT, in the modern age the King if the North has been Germany and then the USSR.

  From about the 1950s the WT claimed that the “king of the south” in Daniel 11 was fulfilled in Britain and America, and “the king of the north” in the Soviet Union (USSR). (Your Will Be Done On Earth 1958, pp 263 & 278).

  The WT's Your Will Be Done book stated:

  – …the Soviet Union (USSR), the Communist power, that since it seized power in Russia in 1917, has held world domination as its aim to this day (i.e. up to 1958 at the time of the book’s publication).( p. 278)

  – Down to the ‘time of the end’ at Armageddon there will be competitive coexistence between the ‘two kings’. (p. 297)

  – Jehovah’s angel foretold further aggressions by the Communist king of the north before his end at Armageddon. (p. 300)

  – The Soviet Union (USSR) will gain control of most of the world and its wealth and resources including oil.(pp 297, 303)

  – The Soviet Union (USSR) will then be terrified by reports issued by the WT and initiate an attack against JWs. (pp 304-305)

  – Finally the Soviet Union (USSR) and America will join forces to attack the JWs which leads to the annihilation of both America and the Soviet Union. (pp 306-307)

  – Billions of people on earth who are not JWs will at that time be destroyed. (p. 347)

  As we all know, the Soviet Union (USSR) collapsed during the early 1990s and has fragmented into a Commonwealth of Independent States and former Soviet republics, despite the WT's predictions that the Soviet Union will competitively exist until Armageddon, and will fall at that time after aggressions against the rest of the world.

  In a previous WT book, The New World (1942), “The king of the north” was quite different and “included the Central Powers, or imperial Germany, Roman-Catholic Austria-Hungary, Roman Catholic Italy and Vatican…Japan…” (p. 324).

  An even earlier WT book, Thy Kingdom Come (1891), applied the latter part of Daniel chapter 11 to the Napoleonic period in 1799.

  http://ed5015.tripod.com/JwKingOfTheNorth25.html