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  What is life?

  by punkofnice in

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  when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.

  psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.

  although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.

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  deegee

  Hey PunkofNice,

  Here's the reggae version of your question:
  

  "What is Life" - Black Uhuru:
  

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ul6wKY9zADc
  
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  What is life?

  by punkofnice in

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  when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.

  psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.

  although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.

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  deegee

  "Always Look on the bright side of Life"

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep9Vzb6R_58
  

  from Monty Python's parody: "Life of Brian":-

  
  

  "Some things in life are bad they can really make you mad
  

  Other things just make you swear and curse

  When you're chewin' on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle

  And this'll help things turn out for the best

  And....always look on the bright side of life (Whistle)
  

  Always look on the light side of life (Whistle)

  If life seems jolly rotten there's something you've forgotten
  

  And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing

  When you're feeling in the dumps don't be silly chumps

  Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing

  And always look on the bright side of life (Whistle)
  

  Come on

  Always look on the bright side of life (Whistle)

  For life is quite absurd
  

  And death's the final word

  You must always face the curtain with a bow

  Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin

  Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

  So always look on the bright side of death...
  

  (Whistle)

  Just before you draw your terminal breath...

  (Whistle)

  Life's a piece of shit, when you look at it
  

  Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true

  You'll see its all a show, keep 'em laughin as you go

  Just remember that the last laugh is on you

  And......
  

  Always look on the bright side of life......(Whistle)

  Always look on the right side
  

  of life......(Whistle)

  C'mon guys, cheer up
  

  Always look on the bright side

  of life......(Whistle)

  Always look on the bright side

  of life......(Whistle)

  Worse things happen at sea you know.

  I mean - what have you got to lose?
  

  You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.

  What have you lost? Nothing;

  Always look on the right side of life......(Whistle)
  

  What have you got to lose?
  

  You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.

  What have you lost?

  Nothing!

  Always look on the right side of life......
  

  Nothing will come from nothing ya know what they say?
  

  Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin!

  There ya go, see!

  Always look on the right side of life.....
  

  Cheer up ya old bugga c'mon give us a grin!

  There ya go, see! "
  
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  Where is Antichrist?

  by anointed1 in

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  it is true that bible has at times fallen at odds with proven science (e.g.

  joshua stopping the sun, star being stopped over jesus’s house of birth …etc), .

  however, when it comes to entropy (moving from order to disorder) it is in harmony with science—especially with the spirit of what the second law of thermodynamics that says that energy of all kinds in our material world disperses or spreads out if it is not hindered from doing so …... .

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  deegee

  Where is Antichrist?

  Have you checked behind the fridge?

  When I lose something, I always check behind the fridge.

  I usually look under the sofa seats when I can't find something.......things just always seem to have a way of falling betwix where the seats meet and getting under the seats......😱
  
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  Was the ransom premature? Shouldn't the effects of Adamic sin have been reversed at the time of Jesus' death?

  by deegee in

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  if the ransom was paid at the time of jesus' death (mark 15:45, matthew 20:28, 1 timothy 2:6, hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?.

  it seems to me that either:- the payment of the ransom was premature.

  - god was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for adam's & eve's so-called "sin".hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for adam's & eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?.

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  The ransom concept is rather puzzling given that Jesus was supposed to taste death for every man:

  Hebrews 2:9: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God SHOULD TASTE DEATH FOR EVERY MAN."

  If this is the case, then why are people still dying? Why are people still tasting death?
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  Was the ransom premature? Shouldn't the effects of Adamic sin have been reversed at the time of Jesus' death?

  by deegee in

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  if the ransom was paid at the time of jesus' death (mark 15:45, matthew 20:28, 1 timothy 2:6, hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?.

  it seems to me that either:- the payment of the ransom was premature.

  - god was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for adam's & eve's so-called "sin".hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for adam's & eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?.

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  deegee

  If the ransom was paid at the time of Jesus' death (Mark 15:45, Matthew 20:28, 1 Timothy 2:6, Hebrews 2:9), then why weren't the effects of Adamic sin (sickness & death) reversed at that time?

  It seems to me that either:
  - The payment of the ransom was premature

  OR

  - God was not satisfied with the payment of the ransom; it was not sufficient to make up for Adam's & Eve's so-called "sin".
  Hasn't god extracted enough from mankind as payment for Adam's & Eve's "sin" given the billions of persons who have lived and died?

  If God truly wants to help mankind then why weren't the effects of Adamic sin reversed at the time when the ransom was paid?

  If Jesus paid the ransom then why is there still sickness & death?
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  The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

  by deegee in

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  i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

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  deegee

  Hello David_Jay,

  My conclusion about the Jewish perspective of the OT based on your various comments in this forum is that Judaism seems to be a rather fluid religion filled with reinterpretations and rationalizations as time goes by. What was considered literal today may not be literal tomorrow. Hindsight has a way of changing religion.
  
  Religion largely depends on what is generally happening or possible or acceptable in the world at the time. Societal changes shape religion so that what is relevant today may not be relevant tomorrow.

  Also, Judaism seems to be no different from Christianity when it comes to diversity of viewpoints - from the conservative/literal/Orthodox to the liberal. If each devout, sincere Jew (or Christian) has a relationship with God and is praying to God why the varying viewpoints regarding the Bible? Is God telling different people different things?

  Regards.
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  The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

  by deegee in

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  i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

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  deegee

  ******CORRECTION TO MY LAST COMMENT:

  "This is the sort of cosmogony that the ancient Babylonians had
  https://gilgamesh42.wordpress.com/?s=pillar&submit=Search. "
  

  The correct website is:

  https://gilgamesh42.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/creationism-and-evolution-on-trial-the-10000-challenge/.
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  The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

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  deegee

  Thanks for your response to my OP David_Jay.

  Though I'm not sure if my questions were answered.... ....at least not directly.

  I'm wondering if the Jews back in the day would have given the same explanations which you and other contemporary Jews give regarding the OT scriptures? It seems to me that Judaism is in a constant state of evolution, reinterpretation and rationalization IN HIND SIGHT.

  I'm wondering why God didn't instruct the OT Bible writers to just write what really happened instead of having them write accounts which are just exaggerations and not literal.

  I can't imagine, for example, that back in the day when scientific knowledge was limited, that what the OT writers wrote regarding science and cosmology was not taken to be literal:

  There are several statements in the OT that are not accurate and authentic to this day, eg.

  - the earth is described as flat (Isaiah 11:12; Job 38:13; Jeremiah 16:19; Daniel 4:11; Matthew 4:8; Revelation 7:1),

  - the earth is described as stationary (Psalms 93:1; 104:5; 96:10);

  - the earth has a foundation and is resting on/held up by pillars - i.e., the earth is fixed:
  1Samuel 2:8, Job 38:4, Proverbs 8:29, Micah 6:2, Jeremiah 31:37, Job 26:11; Psalm 104:3

  - the earth is covered by a vault (dome) in which is fixed the stars and windows to let down rain (Genesis 7:11).

  - the sun moves back and forth across the sky Ecclesiastes 1:5, (and can be stopped if necessary - Joshua's battle at Jericho)

  - that the moon is a source of light,

  - that daylight does not emanate from the sun itself,

  - that the boundaries of the oceans are fixed ( think beach erosion),

  - that water in the sky is suspended above a giant curtain (firmament),

  - Genesis implies a flat earth with a sky dome holding back the waters of heaven, while windows are in place there to let rain in, while the land itself and the sky dome are held up by pillars. This is the sort of cosmogony that the ancient Babylonians had
  https://gilgamesh42.wordpress.com/?s=pillar&submit=Search

  - Biblical cosmology portrays a three tier universe (the heavens, earth, and the underworld).

  - There are two contradictory stories of the Creation of the earth and the heavens in the book of Genesis, written either by different authors or an author drawing on different sources. In chapter 2:4-24, which is probably the oldest version of the story:
  * creation takes place in the space of one day,
  * man was made before any plants and animals
  * and woman was made later after animals failed as suitable companions/helpers for man.

  However, in chapter 1:
  * creation occurs over six days,
  * with plants, fish, birds, and animals created before man and woman,
  * who were created at the same time,
  * the plants were created before the sun - how did plants survive without sunlight?

  Archaeology indicates an older age for mankind than that indicated by the account of Adam & Eve.
  Archaeology has proven that death existed before Adam & Eve.

  - Isaiah 11: The wolf and lamb lying down together, the predator and prey system abolished. “They will not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain”.

  Can wolves, leopards and lambs actually dwell/lie down together?
  Or if the calf and the young lion and the fatling can actually dwell/lie down together?
  Can a little child safely lead wolves, leopards, and young lions?
  Can wolves and lambs actually feed together, and lions eat straw like the bullock? Can carnivores become herbivores?

  Imagine the scenario if all the carnivores/predators are transformed to herbivores and there is no more food chain: death would only be as a result of aging. With no more food chain, there would now be the potential risk of an out-of-control animal population.

  I can't imagine that the foregoing writings weren't taken to be literal back in the day but in light of modern scientific evidence and proven knowledge the Jews have changed their viewpoint to conform to scientific reality and decided that these writings were not literal, but this no doubt results in distorting the original language and meaning.

  Regards.
  
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  The Jewish perspective of the OT according to poster David_Jay

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.

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  deegee

  David_Jay:
  I will add more over the following week, and should have everything answered by Friday, December 2.

  I'm looking forward to it.
  
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  Why didn't God also reveal himself to the Canaanites just as he did to Moses in the burning bush?

  by deegee in

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  why didn't god also reveal himself to the canaanites just as he did to moses in the burning bush so that the massacre/genocide of the canaanites could have been avoided?.

  why didn't god also invite the native palestinians into his covenant, giving them the same laws he gave the israelites, and establish an egalitarian society where people of all races could live together in harmony?.

  instead, he ordered his people to invade and slaughter the natives, killing them to the last man, woman and child, specifically instructing them to show no mercy to anyone under any circumstances.

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  deegee

  I imagine it would have been a rather immersive experience Vidiot..............Noah had so much more of his giant wife to love..........'love handles' and all.