Posts by deegee

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Verifiable proof of Jesus' existance outside the Bible

by unsure in

thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..

deegee

It's frustrating in the event that it is actually all true and we must believe even if the Bible is all there is-------Unsure

Before you become frustrated have you thoroughly, unequivocally proven to yourself beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Bible is true, that it is the inspired word of God?

However, to be saved from Adamic Sin and have a hope for eternal life, I have to believe in the Deity of Jesus. Hardly seems fair. Very depressing and frustrating.-----------Unsure

Would you be worried about belief in Jesus if there was no such thing as eternal life?

Would you be worried about Adamic sin if you knew that the story of Adam, Eve and the snake is derived from ancient Sumerian and Babylonian mythology?

The Hebrews borrowed, adapted, reworked, reinterpreted, reformatted the "Enuma Elish" Mesopotamian myth to create their own Adam & Eve creation story. Similar stories were current among the Greeks, the Egyptians, and the Persians. The Hindoos had a "tree of life," which was said to be guarded by spirits, and contained a juice that was thought to impart immortality to those who partook of it.

According to Genesis 3:17-19 only Adam and Eve were cursed. There is no mention in Genesis or in the other books of the OT of an extension of the curse to Adam and Eve's children and later descendants . There is also no mention of "the Fall" in the remaining chapters of Genesis or in the other books of the OT. So the early Jews did not interpret the Adam and Eve story as something with universal implication. The story was understood either as allegory or an ancient tragedy.

https://archive.li/XhKNP

http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htm

http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/genesisgenesis.htm

https://academic.oup.com/jts/article/XVI/2/287/1624321/A-NEW-LOOK-AT-THE-BABYLONIAN-BACKGROUND-OF

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841957038/65536-21

http://moses.law.umn.edu/darrow/documents/Draper_History_Conflict_Religion_Science.pdf

https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195147898/65536-21

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

There is no Armageddon to come.

The bible likens the coming of Armageddon (Jesus' second coming) to the Flood of days of Noah's day (Matthew 24:37-39).

There was NO FLOOD, so there is no Armageddon!

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

If you are able to get a copy of the publication: Your Will Be Done On Earth, 1958 you can show your JW family from this publication that one of the WT's famous teachings about the Armageddon was that the USSR would be in existence when Armageddon strikes........where is the USSR today?.......you can't take the WT's claim about Armageddon seriously.

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

Tell your JW family that you find the concept of dying at Armageddon to be rather weird.

Non-JWs who are alive when Armageddon strikes will be destroyed. However by dying BEFORE Armageddon a non-JW will be resurrected. So it's best to die BEFORE Armageddon and not at Armageddon since those who die before will be resurrected.

Non-JWs should just get a head start by taking their own lives........not to mention JWs who are guilty of disfellowshipping offences who are alive when Armageddon strikes versus those disfellowshipped JWs who die before Armageddon.

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

Also, tell your JW family members that you will like to make a bet with them that they will die before Armageddon comes.

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

Tell your JW family members that even before the time of Jesus, there were doomsday prophets who predicted that the world would end soon. There are hundreds of failed predictions that the world would end soon:

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

These failed predictions date back as far as 2800 BC, to an inscription on an Assyrian clay table, now in the Municipal Museum at Istanbul, which said, "Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common."

Similar doomsday prophecies have been reissued all through history, and they have all failed.

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Is there any humor in the bible?

by Normalfulla in

humor plays a big part in a lot of humanity and we all like a good laugh but as far as i'm aware god's supposed word has no actual humor ,of course apart from being a joke itself ,why wasn't there a passage or something like "jesus farted and giggles broke out among them " or something, is anyone aware of any notations of humor ?

all to.serious really.

deegee

How about some humour about the Bible itself:

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To Fade or Disassociate

by Jules Saturn in

hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

deegee

He's told me that his reason for fading was because the Society was trying to convince him that the brothers and sisters, the organization was his family, instead of his own worldly blood family.------Jules Saturn.

Your grandpa was right to object to this as this is in fact one of the signs of a cult - substituting an acritical family for your own biological family.

As has already been stated, DA is playing by their rules.***** It allows them to label you, demonize you and treat you as the equivalent of being DFD so bear this in mind. Some persons who DA want a clean break and are able to deal with the aftermath; they usually have a social network for support outside the org, they may have non-JW family & friends who will support them.

You may find this Exit Guide from another ex-JW forum to be helpful:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/wiki/exitguide

Best wishes.

*****Freedom FROM religion is a basic human right as per Article 18 of the Declaration of Human Rights. So don't feel pressured into believing that you have to DA. DA is a WT requirement, it's not something which you have to do. You should be free to join and leave a religion as you like, but the WT does not recognize this.

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Verifiable proof of Jesus' existance outside the Bible

by unsure in

thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..

deegee

@James Mixon,

Jesus also went from age 0-12 without any word of what happened in between.

We heard about him at age 0 & 12 but there was nothing in between.

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Verifiable proof of Jesus' existance outside the Bible

by unsure in

thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..

deegee

_Morpheus,
The calendar thing was also mentioned in a similar thread started by punkofnice, which I browsed quickly. I'm not sure if there were any counterarguments against it in that thread so I just thought I would make a counterargument here for unsure's sake.

deegee

Posts by deegee

_Morpheus,The calendar thing was also mentioned in a similar thread started by punkofnice, which I browsed quickly. I'm not sure if there were any counterarguments against it in that thread so I just thought I would make a counterargument here for unsure's sake.

_Morpheus,
The calendar thing was also mentioned in a similar thread started by punkofnice, which I browsed quickly. I'm not sure if there were any counterarguments against it in that thread so I just thought I would make a counterargument here for unsure's sake.