Posts by deegee

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Am I selfish?

by Jules Saturn in

tonight i had an argument with both my parents.

my parents are aware of my feelings towards the organization, and it saddens them because i am their first born son.

they had high expectations of me, my father dreamt of him and i serving together as elders.

deegee

.........he'll just say that the Society got better and they no longer make predictions-------Jules

Watchtower 2003 Dec 15 p.15 "Warned of "Things Not Yet Beheld" hints at 2033 / 34 as the next date.

If it's not possible to avoid discussions with your family, perhaps you could ask them to explain a few things like:

- Was God leading the WT during the time when they were making false predictions?

- The "overlapping generation" concept

- What proof they have that God chose the WT as his only earthly organization/earthly channel of communication in 1919?

Hopefully this should get them thinking.

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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife

by John Davis in

i don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.

i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.

i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.

deegee

The deadline for Armageddon has long passed.

Also, Armageddon could have been avoided:

Since it's all about killing humans, if God could almost wipe out everyone human being during the Flood & plans on destroying humans again at Armageddon then why not just destroy Adam & Eve before they had any children and start over again, and keep starting over if necessary, until he got the perfect couple, since it's all about killing humans?

There would be less collateral damage. All of the human suffering, all of the wars and diseases could have been avoided etc etc

But I guess God can only be satisfied if there's some drama.

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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife

by John Davis in

i don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.

i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.

i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.

deegee

If Paradise is in heaven why does Jesus need to come again?

If people go to heaven when they die does the world still need to end, does there still need to be a resurrection?

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

....continued:

(there is no historical, geological & archaeological evidence to suggest that a global Flood actually occurred)

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

How can there be Armageddon when God made the following promises after the Flood?

Genesis 8:2:
"And when the Lord smelled the pleasing odor, the Lord said in his heart, “I will NEVER AGAIN CURSE THE GROUND because of man, for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; NEITHER WILL I EVER AGAIN DESTROY EVERY LIVING CREATURE as I have done."

Genesis 9:9-17:
God also made an unconditional covenant with Noah that he will never again destroy the earth by means of a flood (Genesis 9:11).
It is an “everlasting covenant,”
between God and Noah, and every generation after him (Genesis 9:12).

God promised to keep this covenant, regardless of what man would subsequently do, regardless of whether man would subsequently continue to sin (hence unconditional
covenant). It is a covenant not only between God and Noah, but between God and every living creature.

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Verifiable proof of Jesus' existance outside the Bible

by unsure in

thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..

deegee

Thank you for the references.--------Half banana

I’m adding one more reference regarding the origin of the Adam & Eve myth, as it comes with audio – Unsure commented in another thread, that he/she is pressed for time to do research, so he/she can listen to this reference while doing other things if he/she so desires:

Folk-lore in the Old Testament: Studies in Comparative Religion Legend & Law - James George Frazer

https://archive.org/stream/folkloreinoldte00frazgoog#page/n9/mode/1up

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

Why would a global genocide be appropriate just because a deity says so?

The people whom ISIS is slaughtering to the horror of everyone, including JW’s, would also be slaughtered by God (according to Watchtower) if God were to bring Armageddon right now.

God is about to carry out an act that, should a human carry it out, it would be considered a terrible atrocity.

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Verifiable proof of Jesus' existance outside the Bible

by unsure in

thought i'd start a separate discussion on the subject.. those who know me know i'm struggling with faith; i want to believe, some days i do but it becomes difficult.. many believers say there is verifiable proof of jesus' existence outside of the bible.. please post this proof..

deegee

It's frustrating in the event that it is actually all true and we must believe even if the Bible is all there is-------Unsure

Before you become frustrated have you thoroughly, unequivocally proven to yourself beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Bible is true, that it is the inspired word of God?

However, to be saved from Adamic Sin and have a hope for eternal life, I have to believe in the Deity of Jesus. Hardly seems fair. Very depressing and frustrating.-----------Unsure

Would you be worried about belief in Jesus if there was no such thing as eternal life?

Would you be worried about Adamic sin if you knew that the story of Adam, Eve and the snake is derived from ancient Sumerian and Babylonian mythology?

The Hebrews borrowed, adapted, reworked, reinterpreted, reformatted the "Enuma Elish" Mesopotamian myth to create their own Adam & Eve creation story. Similar stories were current among the Greeks, the Egyptians, and the Persians. The Hindoos had a "tree of life," which was said to be guarded by spirits, and contained a juice that was thought to impart immortality to those who partook of it.

According to Genesis 3:17-19 only Adam and Eve were cursed. There is no mention in Genesis or in the other books of the OT of an extension of the curse to Adam and Eve's children and later descendants . There is also no mention of "the Fall" in the remaining chapters of Genesis or in the other books of the OT. So the early Jews did not interpret the Adam and Eve story as something with universal implication. The story was understood either as allegory or an ancient tragedy.

https://archive.li/XhKNP

http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htm

http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/genesisgenesis.htm

https://academic.oup.com/jts/article/XVI/2/287/1624321/A-NEW-LOOK-AT-THE-BABYLONIAN-BACKGROUND-OF

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841957038/65536-21

http://moses.law.umn.edu/darrow/documents/Draper_History_Conflict_Religion_Science.pdf

https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195147898/65536-21

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

There is no Armageddon to come.

The bible likens the coming of Armageddon (Jesus' second coming) to the Flood of days of Noah's day (Matthew 24:37-39).

There was NO FLOOD, so there is no Armageddon!

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

deegee

If you are able to get a copy of the publication: Your Will Be Done On Earth, 1958 you can show your JW family from this publication that one of the WT's famous teachings about the Armageddon was that the USSR would be in existence when Armageddon strikes........where is the USSR today?.......you can't take the WT's claim about Armageddon seriously.