I think JWs? and some Christians believe that Daniel’s symbology contains a reference to a Medo-Persian empire. However, if I’m not mistaken, according to historians an amalgamated Medo-Persian empire never existed.
deegee
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World Powers
by Fred Franztone injws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.
they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.
the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?
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deegee
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World Powers
by Fred Franztone injws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.
they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.
the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?
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deegee
According to WT publications "world powers" in JW land means those found in the Bible who have oppressed, opposed, supported, aided etc God's chosen people the Israelites because either God allowed it or they were God's instruments or it was somehow a part of the divine plan.
Not all world powers fall into this category of course and so if you don't know world history you would conclude (as I did when I was a young brainwashed JW) that the only world powers to have existed are those mentioned in the Bible and by the JWs.
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Considering God's 'failure'
by TerryWalstrom injehovah's "failure".
we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.
the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .
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deegee
Terry,
Maybe God made humans inferior for a reason – he did it for his entertainment. The re-engineered/afterlife/next life existence is rather boring. It’s by far much more entertaining to have an existence with a lot of drama, mayhem, mishaps, thrills, spills, disaster, tragedy………..our inferior existence is God’s blockbuster.
God hasn't failed, he's just having fun at our expense.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
@Corney:
Thanks. I need to brush up on my history RE: Russia and the USSR.
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Considering God's 'failure'
by TerryWalstrom injehovah's "failure".
we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.
the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .
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deegee
JESUS FAILED and there are forty thousand denominations eager to make slightly different arguments as to why it only appears to be failure IF you come to their church and believe their proprietary nonsense.
I can't understand how Christians claim that they pray to God for guidance, direction and understanding and they insist that God inserts thoughts into their minds and speaks to them yet they arrive at 40,000 different explanations about God. Is God telling each denomination something different?
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Considering God's 'failure'
by TerryWalstrom injehovah's "failure".
we humans never seem to consider god in terms of anything but power and ability.
the idea of 'failure' is preposterous.. .
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deegee
Their Jesus has been busy all these years GUIDING the Governing Body in circles.
........lol
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
Daniel made a failed prediction about the final fate of the Kings of the North & South.
The JWs and other religion's solution to this is to keep reinterpreting the failed prophecy and projecting its fulfillment into the future.
When Bible prophecies fail just keep reinterpreting them and projecting their fulfillment into the future since the Bible must be true.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
Some of the comments indicate that this is not the first time that the WT has named Russia. But as far as I know this is the first time that the WT has named Russia. Previously they claimed it was the Soviet Union (USSR) which I suppose posters are equating with Russia. But the Soviet Union (USSR) and Russia are separate entities. The Soviet Union (USSR) consisted of about 15 states and it no longer exists. It just so happens that Russia was one of those 15 states.
Russia is not the Soviet Union (USSR), there were 14 other countries in addition to Russia which were a part of it.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
Ishmael vs Isaac....Islam vs "Christianity".....simple. Who rules over the oil...the hidden riches...
But watch out for Germany and neo nazisim....tikiIs this what Daniel was really prophesying about, Islam vs Christianity and neo-nazism? This is just another reinterpretation of a failed Bible prophecy.
BTW, Germany is also old light for the JWs.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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deegee
ALSO, the multiple ways in which the WT and others have predicted the fulfillment of this prophecy shows that this "prophecy" was not a valid prophecy in the first place.
For a prophecy to be valid It must not allow for a multitude of possible interpretations or events, it can only be fulfilled in one way not multiple ways.
It must be clear and unambiguous so that its meaning cannot be misinterpreted or changed; and it should not be just a logical guess about an impending event.