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6Sir Laurence Gardner
by leeza inhas anyone ever heard of sir laurence gardner?
i have read about his lecture at www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html and i find it intriguing.
it is a rather long read; but, i find it neccessary to explain his credentials etc.
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Sir Laurence Gardner
by leeza inhas anyone ever heard of sir laurence gardner?
i have read about his lecture at www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html and i find it intriguing.
it is a rather long read; but, i find it neccessary to explain his credentials etc.
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leeza
I'm reading about his works now and think that they might just be great literature similar to JJR Tolkein. Maybe not. You are so right. They are fun! It would be nice to learn about and understand the actual history, though. I've always loved the folklore, fables, even the stories of the ancient gods. I would like to be able to find the true events that lead to the stories.
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Sir Laurence Gardner
by leeza inhas anyone ever heard of sir laurence gardner?
i have read about his lecture at www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html and i find it intriguing.
it is a rather long read; but, i find it neccessary to explain his credentials etc.
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leeza
Glenster, Thank you for the wikepedia links. They are very informative and the references are very well documented. I tend to be a little leary of wikepedia; however, again, these instances seem to be properly document etc.
I expected that he may be considered a psuedohistorian with a tendency towards conspiracy theories. But, the reason I wanted to look into his claims, is because so many of what used to be viewed as conspiracy theories concerning historic events and relious have since proven to be true. We have learned about countless c.theories within the Catholic church involving, cardinals and bishops ect.; not to mention the seemingly endless accounts of cover up and denial within the Kingdom Halls and the Watchtower Organisation. So much of what has been exposed about the organisation is said to be considered as "conspiracy theories" to those searching for answers. In fact, Raymond Franz' writings are said to be "lies" and are to be considered as "discredited" So, I don't want to just write off this Laurence Gardner's ideas without finding out for myself if the things he states as facts are true . . . For instance, is it true that there were annointing rituals that the messianic brides followed?
Thank you, again, for giving me more information to consider.
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Sir Laurence Gardner
by leeza inhas anyone ever heard of sir laurence gardner?
i have read about his lecture at www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html and i find it intriguing.
it is a rather long read; but, i find it neccessary to explain his credentials etc.
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leeza
Has anyone ever heard of Sir Laurence Gardner? I have read about his lecture at www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html and I find it intriguing. It is a rather long read; but, I find it neccessary to explain his credentials etc.
He goes into different aspects of history such as the origination of "heresy", church conspiracy, the view of women in the church, the criteria for selections of the gospels, the existence of the book of Jasher, editing of the Bible to apease the cardinals etc. It also explains the claims of Jesus and Mary Magdelene being married and having children.
I have always thought that these things were just entirely false; but, after reading the information contained on each page of this website (over, and over, and over,) I am questioning several of the things that I was once sure. If anyone feels like reading this info and giving me your take on it, I would be very interested in your assessment. If you do read it, and end up reading its entirety, does it not bring up the question of Jesus dying for our sins? It states on Page Three, "As for Jesus' death on the cross, it was perfectly clear that this was a spiritual death, not a physical death, as determined by the three-day rule that everyone in the 1st century would have understood." It discusses that in length.
Page Three is very interesting. It gives details concerning rules, regulations, and customs of the day; especially concerning a Messiah, Messianic marriages, and Messianic bridal conditions and traditions.
If anyone reads this, I hope it does not affend. Please view the reading of it as purely investigative research and let me know if you find any of it viable. Thanks, Leeza
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Email from my grandmother yesterday.
by elder-schmelder inhere is an email that my grandmother sent me yesterday.. .
shawn, it's very difficult & sad to come to this decision, but because of your attitude towards the truth & us personally (thinking that we are stupid) we're going to treat you as a disfellowshipped person from now on.
actually, you're worse than them because usually they know they have not kept their oath to jehovah & don't speak abusively of the organization and don't turn apostate.
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leeza
Billy, thanks for your words of encouragement.
KS, thanks for understanding. I know what you mean when you say, "That kind of thinking fuels JWs into thinking that God will take care of all things in the New System." It is kind of an arrogant cop out for JW's (thinking that way.) I just wish him to be at peace with himself and let people like her be their miserable selves. Although, it can be so very difficult when it's your family especially a GM who has had so much influence in your life. I can imagine his pain. When those you love are too closed minded to even entertain the idea that they might be wrong; all you want is for them to see. And hopefully, someday . . . she might at least look into the possibility, and hopefully before she actually acts on her threats. That would be so nice.
I have a lot of questions. I have read a lot and researched a lot of different religions (still many more to look into.)
Maybe someday I will a post a thread concerning one of the things that I have read about. It would be nice to find out your opinion.
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Do you wear your mark proudly....
by Momma-Tossed-Me inat times in histroy the ruling classes have used marking or tatooing as a mark to notify the public of how to respond or be warned with regard to the individual bearing the mark.. in some cultures this marking practice has caused more problems than it solved.
these individuals have banded together and gained influence among the populace, some for good purpose, some for bad.. i would like to think that our collective purpose is good.
our purpose should be educational, informing those who are in, and out, that this organization has lost god's approval if it ever had it at all.. inorder to do that we must not shrink away from those who are in when we see them in public.
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leeza
Azazel, Thank you. That's very nice of you to say. I hope to tty again. I have been up all night and it is 5:30 now; so I think I'll call it a night and try to get some sleep. Hopefully I won't sleep in. An old friend called me yesterday (she is disfellowshipped) We haven't seen each other in 9 years and she is coming over for a visit. I haven't had a friend since 2005 so it will be nice to talk to some one face to face and enjoy the company of a friend in the flesh. Thanks for the encouragement. Good night!
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Do you wear your mark proudly....
by Momma-Tossed-Me inat times in histroy the ruling classes have used marking or tatooing as a mark to notify the public of how to respond or be warned with regard to the individual bearing the mark.. in some cultures this marking practice has caused more problems than it solved.
these individuals have banded together and gained influence among the populace, some for good purpose, some for bad.. i would like to think that our collective purpose is good.
our purpose should be educational, informing those who are in, and out, that this organization has lost god's approval if it ever had it at all.. inorder to do that we must not shrink away from those who are in when we see them in public.
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leeza
Dear Azaze,
Good for you! And I am glad that you decided to take the "high road" out of concern for you ex and kids. That is Christian LOVE!
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Do you wear your mark proudly....
by Momma-Tossed-Me inat times in histroy the ruling classes have used marking or tatooing as a mark to notify the public of how to respond or be warned with regard to the individual bearing the mark.. in some cultures this marking practice has caused more problems than it solved.
these individuals have banded together and gained influence among the populace, some for good purpose, some for bad.. i would like to think that our collective purpose is good.
our purpose should be educational, informing those who are in, and out, that this organization has lost god's approval if it ever had it at all.. inorder to do that we must not shrink away from those who are in when we see them in public.
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leeza
Dear palmtree, Wow, thanks for your kind words.
Truthfully, I haven't even scratched the surface of my life's "experiences. I will say, though, that I have learned to be patient and about the power of LOVE. But, I really kind of think it deserves deleted.
I do not like to share things-- good or bad. I don't like to complain because so many people have gone through so much worse. That's the same reason that I do not like to share good news openly; because so many people don't have any happiness and it seems cruel to flaunt any happiness I might have (just thinking about facebook) I would rather send private messages but I realize that this site is to help others so . . .
And I thank you for you hugs. There are so many, many times when I have needed hugs. Thank you. Now stop making me cry . . .
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Email from my grandmother yesterday.
by elder-schmelder inhere is an email that my grandmother sent me yesterday.. .
shawn, it's very difficult & sad to come to this decision, but because of your attitude towards the truth & us personally (thinking that we are stupid) we're going to treat you as a disfellowshipped person from now on.
actually, you're worse than them because usually they know they have not kept their oath to jehovah & don't speak abusively of the organization and don't turn apostate.
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leeza
Dear Rip, Thank you for being so kind. I really shouldn't have said so much. I am sorry for venting.
Thank you for your concern. It does really mean a lot. I just hope that Shawn will be OK. Family can hurt you so badly. There are so many issues and battles in the "truth" and if one can step back, look, and ask oneself how far do I want to take this. . . is it important enough to cause me these stresses, can I really do anything about it, will it make that much of a difference . . . make things better or worse? If we realize that we can't control everything --especially how others act or feel-- if we accept that we can't control everything/everyone, then we can at least have some peace within ourselves.
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Do you wear your mark proudly....
by Momma-Tossed-Me inat times in histroy the ruling classes have used marking or tatooing as a mark to notify the public of how to respond or be warned with regard to the individual bearing the mark.. in some cultures this marking practice has caused more problems than it solved.
these individuals have banded together and gained influence among the populace, some for good purpose, some for bad.. i would like to think that our collective purpose is good.
our purpose should be educational, informing those who are in, and out, that this organization has lost god's approval if it ever had it at all.. inorder to do that we must not shrink away from those who are in when we see them in public.
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leeza
Dear Amelia, Momma, and Cantleave,
Thank you for welcoming me. Truly, I try to not post. I am afraid of things being taken the wrong way and I do not want to offend anyone. But, it was so nice to be welcomed. And Cantleave, I think I inadvertantly did--kind of LOL! You might want to check out
"email from grandma" page 3! I responded and then I received a response from KingSolomon . . . I . . . replied . . . and therein lies my "thread!"