I know of one PO that would cherry pick intended recommendations and personally pay for a background check. On one background check fishing trip, he found a brother had a DUI a few years back.
JakeM2012
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Are Elders given back ground checks before appointment?
by JWOP ini'm researching a few things, and i'm wondering: are elders ever put through a back ground check either before or after their appointment as an elder?.
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The State of India
by fulltimestudent inindian families struggle:.
i think the report below is referring to middle-class families.
the enormous number of indian people living in extreme poverty, just worry about getting something to eat.. .
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JakeM2012
I'm sorry to hear of the Indians' families stuggle, the worlds economy are in poor shape and there are many suffering worldwide. Thank you for the update, you will not see this on most news channels. Everyone is claiming inflation, but I don't see a stable monetary supply.
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What was YOUR wake-up call before you left the JW´s organization?
by Mr Fool inwhat was your wake-up call(s) before you left the jw s organization?
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JakeM2012
My wake up call for Zomies, was researching older publications including C.T.Russels writings in which 1799 was the beginning of the time of the end, and stretching over other predicted dates that nothing happended, then J.F. Rutherford's prediction that 1925 was the beginning of Armageddon. I found out that my great grand parents had left their lives and went on the road for 5 years to "sell" as pioneers the book, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". Beth Serim and the V-12 Cadillac's helped me appreciate the "presidents" stake in the matter, and I was disgusted.
When Pandora's box about Jehovah's Witnesses was opened it was impossible to close. Basically, once the mind is expanded it is impossible to return it to a previously thought process.
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What would it take?
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JakeM2012
Kool Jo, as far as your op question, I am not sure what it would take besides having an annual meeting that is hooked up to the congregations and the GB saying that the whole thing is a fraud. However we must approach reality.
In the 1960's my dad was a 1975'er, up until about 1973 and then he didn't see things happening like he thought in accordance with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Societies teachings and thought it would take a WEEEEE bit longer maybe 7-8 years.
The late seventies were somewhat difficult, there were still new ones coming in, which made all the old timers "behave", but people like my father were pretty sore with WTBTS and had written letters that were answered with "get your butt in line and tow the rope" verbage. I wish now they would have disfellowshipped him for his letters, but nothing was said by the congregation.
Through the 1980's and 1990's we were all expecting something within the 70-80 mark of the "generation" of 1914. But it never came.
Mom is still alive and is absolute that she will not give up her faith. However, she is not a humble women who would admit a mistake anyway.
I believe it takes a mature person who has humility to accept they have been fooled, "hoodwinked", taken, conned, etc. With many witnesses it crosses the social, religious, family lines and people will stay with their religious beliefs because of a perceived loss of family or social ties.
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The final chapter in the confusedandalone story...
by confusedandalone inthis morning i get a frantic call from my sister (who has been baptized 1 year and one month and never attends meetings anymore).
in tears she tells me that this morning my father picked her up in the car and told her that i was am apostate.
that i no longer loved jehovah and that i was going to be disfellowshipped.
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JakeM2012
Congratulations Confusedandalone, and best wishes with family life, your marriage, and your business. I don't think you'll have much problem anymore.
I have seen elders after a DA or disfellowshipping turn up the rhetoric on those that are either working for a disfellowshipped or disassociated person or employing disfellowshipped, disassociated persons. The elders start harassment of brother who is either employer or employee.
They threaten the usual things, from taking away privileges to even disfellowshipping. From what I have seen when previously an elder, the elders get the attitude of "rule or ruin", and they can get very vindictive and try to ruin someone financially, character assasination, etc. I even had an elder make a pass on my wife using the "he's a useless apostate" argument.
I'm curious what the elders wanted to talk about, whether it was a case of "things have got blown out of proportion and we are here to settle things down" or other chit chat.
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Encounter at McDonalds
by jws inso i was helping some friends move and it came time for a break, i took my kids to mcdonalds.
we're sitting there and there's a family across from us, man, wife, 2 kids under 4. in the next booth is this older guy, maybe late 60's.. i'm not really paying attention, but then this older guy says something to the family about everybody being "me-first" these days.
so that caught my ear.
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JakeM2012
It does sound like the elderly man in McDonald's has diminished from what was previously a sure thing, strong faith, imminent reality to now just a comfort.
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The final chapter in the confusedandalone story...
by confusedandalone inthis morning i get a frantic call from my sister (who has been baptized 1 year and one month and never attends meetings anymore).
in tears she tells me that this morning my father picked her up in the car and told her that i was am apostate.
that i no longer loved jehovah and that i was going to be disfellowshipped.
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JakeM2012
Confusedandalone, Thanks for sharing your story. Perhaps your example will empower others.
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Former Elders? What did you not like about serving as an elder?
by JakeM2012 ina few of my pet peeves were:.
the po/cobe knowing that he needed to have an elders meeting after the meeting but not telling any other elders.
humm, but his wife knew.
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JakeM2012
Sure thing, Snare and Racket, good question, "What were the most significant behind the scenes goings on that a publisher had no idea of?"
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Need Advice On Shunning My Dying Dad, Please Advise!
by AuntConnie indear jwn,.
when i was out in field service yesterday i was approached by some sisters asking me how my dying dad was doing.
i said "i try not to visit him, you will have to ask him yourself.
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JakeM2012
Crazyguy, so your thought is that there are those that take their financial benefits from Witnesses, but if the lender/generous one isn't faithful to the org. then the indebted have a clean slate and owe nothing to the person that helped them in financially tough times. Interesting.
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Pioneers during the 1920s/1930s and earlier
by A question in-what exactly was their standard of living?
could they afford some nice things sometimes?.
-how much did they socialize with other witnesses, either those serving in other areas or those in their assignment, outside of meetings and service?
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JakeM2012
I had great grand parents that traveled full time for five years from 1920-1925 in Texas placing the book "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". This book taught as undeniable truth that the end would come in 1925. They had two children "on the road" as they served as "Pioneers".
They had a flatbed truck as their service vehicle with all their belongings. The truck had a chicken cage under one side of the truck's flatbed for live chickens that laid eggs for them. They lived on the side of the road as they traveled, and they mentioned to later relatives, of regularly sleeping on rocks outside without the cover of tents. When they returned to xxxxxx they had nothing and had to get the help from their parents and other family. Interestingly, when they showed up in xxxxxx, they were so poor looking with worn tattered cloths and shoes that they were ignored by most in the congregation. (Again, family history).
I sure wish I could time travel and stop the JW cancer at an earlier time.