JakeM2012
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Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye?
by DocHouse inyes- everyone has faults and makes mistakes; an organization even more so.. yet, you ignore all the fingers pointing at you.. many here have no faith.
many here go to churches who lie about everything biblical; look at x-mas!.
but at least we know god and christ and try to live up to their name!.
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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Internet+Troll)At Bethel we used to use the Theocratic Warfare Expression, "Shit Stirrers" for someone like Doc House , but we cleaned it up and abbreviated the expression and just called them S.S. er's, so we would not stumble any newbie's or publishers touring WTBTS factories and offices. Sometimes we would just call them to their faces axsholes.Just Saying -
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Does anyone have the 2014 stats from the 2015 Yearbook yet?
by berrygerry indoes anyone have the 2014 stats from the 2015 yearbook yet?.
(isn't it usually out by now - or are they waiting to celebrate new year's day?
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For the WTBTS to have claimed they have had the "undeniable truth" since July 1, 1879,
1) and never being honest about their obvious lack of "inside" knowledge to God,
2) or any solid evidence of the WTBTS's self-proclaimed designation that they are the "only channel to mankind" from the Almighty God,
3) AND the Fact that Nothing they ever have predicted/prophesied has come true in a most menial or remote way, ......
WHY believe anything they print or say on a projection screen, podium, printed material, or at an annual meeting?
I began my journey by doubting their many printed historical blunders, but now, I do NOT buy into anything they print, so why make an exception and "believe" there is a x.xx percent increase anywhere?
I am NOT, too proud, arrogant, or litigious,.....Just Asking...What gives?.. they have been full of BS since 1879.
With WTBTS's track record, if they were my stock broker, they would have been dumped in 1880.
With WTBTS's track record, If they were my navigator for circumnavigating the earth, they would have been fired before we departed.
With WTBTS's track record, if they were map makers, they would be bankrupt.
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Any news from the elder schools held this month in Canada& USA
by wannaexit in......inquiring minds want to know.
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Welcome, (Tim Drake) a.k.a, Robin! I also appreciate your summary of the elders school. Thank you very much.
I also appreciated your bringing out the point in 2 Cor 2:5,6, which reads from the NIV, (bold and italicized my own)
Forgiveness for the Offender
5 If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you to some extent—not to put it too severely. 6 The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient. 7 Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him.
I thought the admonition from 2 Thessalonians was also appropriate regarding limitations:
"14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer."
I also applied this scripture from Romans 16:17, (below NIV). While an elder when I had to deal with a few situations that were associated with Presiding Overseers/or Coordinator Of the Body of Elder's (whatever) wive's believing they were so righteous (self-righteous), that they thought they could personally ex-nay anyone in the congregation, and there were many supporting sisters just dying to be part of the Presiding Overseers/or Coordinator Of the Body of Elder's clique so they would shun whoever the P.O wives shunned so they could be looked on favorably from these elder's wives. So these wives were basically the congregations self-appointed judge and jury.
All the churches of Christ send greetings.
"17 I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."
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2nd and 3rd Genners -- Did the passing of the 1st/2nd Gen. cause doubts for you?
by Apognophos ini can't discuss my family history here in detail while i'm still fading, but suffice to say that i'm a third-generation witness.
my grandparents' generation of witnesses expected the end to come in the middle of the 20th century.
they led spartan lives and largely went without having kids, as they awaited the imminent new system.
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My Great-Grand Parents traveled as early pioneers from 1919 to 1925 proclaiming that 1925 was the end of the world as we know it. Their preaching was based on J.F. Rutherford's calculations published in Millions Now Living Will Never Die. My Mom was baptized in 1941 and given the Children's Books by J. F. Rutherford in St. Louis.
I remember when PaPa died about fifteen years ago, as he laid in bed and expressed concern about his inevitable death, Mom sat on his bed told him he would not die because he was the generation of 1914 and that he would not pass away.
Personally, I never gave much credit to the whole generation Mumbo-Jumbo crap, but when it obviously became an eye-sore to JW's teachings and they started doctoring on it and changing it because nothing ever happened, I was then awake.
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is all religon crap?
by thesaint inlike jw are crap is there any religon dat is atally conneced to god?.
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YadaYada, appropriate quote from Dalai Lama.
" Pastor Russell said "religion is a snare and a racket." I could be wrong, but I think it was the crook, drunkard, womanizer, Judge Rutherford that promoted this idea of snare and racket.
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The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States
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i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.
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VillageGirl, great post. Looks like you have the organiiiization all figured out:) "Isolate and Insulate", good point.
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No more doubts for me! Good-bye JWN! We have THE TRUTH!
by DATA-DOG ini could go on and on about my personal journey over the last 2 years or so, but i don't need to.
everything i needed to hear to finally lay my doubts to rest happened on one meeting night.
it could only be divine providence.
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Wasbline says, " Wasn't Steve Jobs Buddist ?"
Rumor had it that Steve Jobs was studying with Jehovah's Witnesses just before he died, well for several years I guess. Shortly after beginning to studying and going to the meetings he came up with the idea of the tablet, touch screen thingy dingy. He said it was so the older ones wouldn't have to carry those big book bags and would have all the information in a light weight solution. Steve also visited Bethel and made several suggestions.
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I find I am Shunning my family !
by Phizzy inalthough i really hate the wt/jw shunning policy, which especially huts those who have been df'd, i find i am in a kind of way doing it to my jw family.. i do not include them in anything i do, in my own family gatherings, and i cannot be arsed to inform them of things going on in my family, or to even go and see them, unless really necessary.. this all adds up to a kind of "reverse shunning", and i do feel a twinge of guilt about it, but it is simply how things have become.. do you, fellow faders, find a similar thing happening ?.
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I learned working in the Nuclear Plants priniciples that I apply to toxic family relationships: Time, Distance, and Shielding.
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UN letter about Watchtower?
by JakeM2012 inis the united nations letter about watchtower's involvement from 1991 to 2001 still available on the united nations webpage?.
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Thank you Finkelstein, Mind Blown, Problemaddict, Apognophos, and Oubliette for your input. Mind Blown, if you have some links for the hedge funds that would be interesting to investigate, it would be just Mind Blowing.
Personally, I believe WTBTS could have come up with a better excuse than the library card. They could have said that they were using the United Nations to assist in disaster relief and promoting religious freedom.
For new comers or interested parties, this is good information; there are still witnesses that either are unaware of the UN involvement, or passively deny it. There are some Brothers like Brandt Jones that were eventually disfellowshipped for writing an inquiring letter to WT about their involvment.
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They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"
by XBEHERE ina friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.
as regards pursuing higher education?
the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.
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There has been some great comments on this thread. To bump the thread and reiterate:
1) No, college is not for everyone, there are many that are resistant to education, and deliberately want to get by with the minimum necessary in effort and time.
2) Yes, some witnesses have heeded the "admonition" reguarding "higher educaiton" of the Great Atomic 8-12 members of the "Faithful and Discrete Slave" spritual advisers, and later regret it.
Some that are discontent "complainers in life" sometimes will use this as the excuse of why they are loosers in life. These are the same persons that did not apply themselves to the educational process even when having access to free public education, and most likely would not have even had the drive, dedication, or ambition to complete a degree. Again, these are ones looking for an excuse of why they are not content with their lot in life.
3) True, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, did at one point in the mid 1990's retreat from their position of "the end is so close, there's not enough time to finish a four year degree" position, to at least a position that gave publishers more individual responsibility and individual freedom to make a personal decision to seek "higher education". However, those who exercised the right of personal decision would envoke distasteful comments, adversarial looks, and unofficial congregational shunning and restrictions on responsibilities unless it included a toilet cleaning or mowing of the Kingdom Hall lawn.
4) The world's work environment has changed, and no, a High School education is "evidently" not consistently sufficient to earn a living wage in most first world countries for a man or women to sufficiently support a small family that would include the basics including health insurance. There are exceptions (some on this forum) and some individuals have been able to earn sufficient wages to support more than the basics in life with just a High School diploma. This is great and I am happy for these individuals, but a few successful cases do not necessarily make a successful path that can be followed with consistancy. Further, many will admit that the work environment has changed and they could not possibly replecate such success if starting today, and do not advocate it for their own children!
For me personally, coming from a struggleing family of carpenters, I wanted to study structual engineering and architecture, live at home while attending the university. I had no desire to learn how to drive a nail, or use the basics of a 3,4,5 pathagorium theorem. However, Dad, who was already smarting from the false/100% failure of 1975 expectations, unbelievably informed me that I would have to pack my bags and leave the house if I continued pursueing my goal of a university degree in engineering. To make his point he xeroxed copies of bound volumes of WTBTS literature stating what a waste of time it was to pursue a degree. This was 35 years ago.
At this late date of December 26, 2013, the 100% failure rate of WTBTS's expectations, predictions, interpretation of prophesy, or their own prophesiahing, (whatever you would like to call it if you are a JW apologetic) etc. to the time of the end, the generation of 1914 that would not pass away,etc, the current WTBTS's posturing towards education is irreprehensable.
It is comparible to analog advise in a digital world. However bad the advise given by the self-proclaimed "Faithful and Discrete Slave" is, it cannot be ignored that it is simply not any of theirs (or any religions) business to take an adversarial position to "higher education", PERIOD. Any religion that would take an adversarial position to higher education should raise concern to its followers of their motive and what they do not want you to learn. Other than a cautionary, "count the cost" position, don't get too indebted to student loans, maintain your spirituality, morals etc, any further discouraging advise is certainly questionable. Why not encourage Christians to save some money for their childrens college tuition, be in a financial position to house them at home to avoid possible harmful association in the dormitories, etc. Oh, I'm sorry, the WTBTS is very greedy and they want all of a families cash and available credit and they want it immediately.
My Opinion: The purpose of the scriptures is to assist the human family with having a hope for the future, to assist in making wise decisions, and maintaining balance in life. (List is not all inclusive.) How??? after having articles in the mid 1990's about the "What is the Bibles Viewpoint of Higher Education" (which was "somewhat" more balanced than the current posturing),they could regress to their current dark age commentary. Has the Bible changed? or has the WTBTS opinion changed????
Personally, I could be angry not only of their past position and how it influenced and exerted negative forces in my youthful life 35 years ago that led to depression and the ongoing struggle I contend with today.
However, what angers me is like a pedophile that continues to harm, ruin, and destroy lives, the WTBTS keeps their asinine and cultish position on higher education, leaving the residual congregation adherants to enforce their position by marking, shunning, and generally making a seeker of educations life's "hell". Personally, I think of "impale them, impale them", would be a workable solution. What pompous asses the Atomic 8 are, "Faithfull and discrete"? my ass.