Posts by JakeM2012

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Should we still be angry with the Watchtower? Should we "forgive" the WT?

by Iamallcool in

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JakeM2012

I agree we are dealing with victims hurting victims. Some of the company men feel it is there duty to uphold a certain standard with little tolerance. Some of these corporatmen have been in the traveling work and are in the 60's or 70's. What else can they do with the skills they have and being removed from the real world for so many years? Whether they like it or not they have to hold the company line because they too are captives.

I have struggled with the forgive and forget also. I want to move on and eventually say I'm and ex-ex jw. But that will take years and I do not believe that my thinking will ever be normal. As far as the corporation, I cannot imagine what their secret agenda is why they propagate such lunacy. Their stand against education, the stand against any kind of association other than service and meetings even with their own members. The total botch job with child molesters.

For me it doesn't matter that they have modified their stand against child abuse, but I still think it is inadequate. I could go on, but they remind me of the old snake oil salesmen that traveled to small towns. The first night they fleeced half of the town, the next night they fleeced the second half of the town, and the by the third night the whole town is trying to kill them and they are run out.

I would like them to be devasted and eaten up just like the whore they speak of in Revelation, never to inflict their pain on anyone. I don't think they will ever be as they were in the prime of their cycle, and they have no other place to go except to become more contolling, more secrete, stepping up the guilt. I think that as long as they have be barking the end of the world that their will be an increasing number of who are awakend.(Hopefully)

Could I forgive the German actions in WWII?

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WTBTS Elder & Ministerial Servant Problems

by JW GoneBad in

i attended a recent ministerial servant k m school on the east coast and the main school instructor mentioned among other things (part entitled: 'objective of the km school course') that the total number of ministerial servants is seriously less than it should be.

in times past the ratio of m ss to elders was much more than it is today.. in the u.s. apparently the total number of elders is 88,500+ as opposed to m ss 65,000. the numbers show & numbers don't lie: the society is running out of spiritual men.

the instructor stated that this is a new downward trend that has (in so many words) the society worried.. the next speaker (part entitled: 'why we must be spiritual men') added that in his years as a traveling servant the pool of m ss has always been much, much larger than it is today.

JakeM2012

Some congregations are full of men who have served as elders and have been either forced to step down (or whatever you call it) or have been deleted. Not all deletions were for weakness or wickedness, they were elders getting into a issing match. If you talk to them they don't want to serve again. I know I certainly do not.

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Silentlambs says Watchtower's Assets frozen only for a very short time

by chichimama_2 in

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found here.

https://www.facebook.com/williamh.bowen.

highlights mine.

JakeM2012

Thanks for bringing that out skeeter 1. I guess I should have asked, does anyone know how much a bond will cost. So even appealing it will be a financial pinch.

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What Watchtower Got Wrong with Their Child Molestation Policy

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

in the style of stephen lett, i'm trying to come up with an exhaustive, enumerated list (without his crazy eyebrows, goofy facial expressions, and nutty voice).

what watchtower has gotten wrong isn't just their 2 witness rule.

it goes much deeper into other failures of jw dogma that has allowed this injustice and others to flourish in their organization.

JakeM2012

Some of these child molesters did not even have a judicial committee, it was handled by two brothers because it was considered uncleanness, like temporarily touching a breast of your girl friend. For an organization that claims to be God's channel and not know how God feels about child abuse pretty much sums up what else WT knows. Nothing.

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Breaking news: Jerry Sandusky convicted

by JeffT in

45 of 48 counts according to cnn.

a bad week for pedo's, a good week for children.

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JakeM2012

"I feel almost like going out in service Sat and "SHARING this GOOD NEWS" with the neighbors!!"

"Good Morning, have you read this newspaper clipping of child abuse at Penn State?

"Yes"

"It does certainly show how morality is decreasing."

Do you think God approves of this conduct?

"No"

"I would like to read this comforting scripture in Isaiah." (Read a scripture)

"Isn't that comforting?" This morning we are offering a special issue of the Awake magazine about Child Sexual Abuse".

"Perhaps you would like to read it? Some wonder how we have no charge for the literature, it is because of voluntary donations that cover the cost of printing. Perhaps you would like to donate a modest amount? May I come back next week to see how you liked the article?"

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Do you still believe that Yoga and Other Spiritual Activities are demonized?

by Iamallcool in

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Never believed that Yoga was demonized. I don't buy that the YMCA is a religion just because they have a bible in the front. It's not apostacy to go to YMCA. It's a gym and pool, they have excellent childrens swimming lessons.

jdubb, don't you just love those Fletch movies!

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It's Friday! Let's Drink Some Whisk(e)y!! (Responsibly, Of Course)

by Low-Key Lysmith in

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as some of you know, i am employed as master of whisky for seattle (pac nw).

i represent diageo n america's whisk(e)y portfolio.. this includes: johnnie walker, the classic malts of scotland, bushmills irish whiskey, crown royal, bulleit bourbon and rye whiskey, george dickel tennessee whisky, and bucchanan's blended scotch whisky.. my job basically involves speaking publicly about the whiskies, hosting and presenting whisk(e)y tastings and dinners, and educating bar & restaurant staff about whisk(e)y. tough gig, i know.. my mow bio & pic can be found on crown royal's website here: http://www.crownroyal.com/west-masters/breck-taylor.

i was thinking about putting a featured whisky of the week up here every friday.

JakeM2012

I love Crown, Crown and Coke, Crown and Tonic, Crown and Seven. I recently passed the bar exam. Do you think we could be invited for a weekend of nourishment.

As the Derailers sing:

I got my PHD...in heartaches and misery
and a BSN...barstool phil-osophy
You're my inspir-ation...for higher edu-cation
Now the final test is right in front of me.

CHORUS
I'm taking a bar exam...under a neon sign
I'm gonna to graduate...when your off my mind
In this honky tonk school...we've got a hell of a band
Drink by drink...takin' a bar exam

VERSE
I know beer wine.. whiskey and gin
studied every glass and bottle they come in
I pass with flyin' colors...so how ‘bout the others
So set'em up...I'm ready to begin

CHORUS
I'm taking a bar exam...under a neon sign
I'm going to graduate...when you off my mind
In this honky tonk school...we've got a hell of a band.
Drink by drink...I'm takin' a bar exam

VERSE : PLAY AS INSTRUMENTAL

I know beer wine.. whiskey and gin
studied every glass and bottle they come in
I pass with flyin' colors...so how ‘bout the others
So set'em up...I'm ready to begin

CHORUS / VOCALS
Taking a bar exam...under a neon sign
I'm gonna to graduate...when your off my mind
In this honky tonk school...we've got a hell of a band.
Drink by drink..,takin' a bar exam

TAGG
Drink by drink...I'm takin' a bar exam

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I think the Society might drop its appeal over the Conti case

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought to the recent development in which the judge has ruled that the society is barred from completing any property transactions until the appeal is over, which could take up to two years or even more.. i've submitted an article to randy at freeminds in which i basically argue that it is no longer in the society's interests to appeal this case.

if i correctly understand the restrictions placed on the society by the judge, then the governing body has far more to lose by appealing than they could conceivably gain.. think about it.... by appealing, they buy themselves time in which to formulate a long-term strategy for dealing with the fallout of this case, but will be barred from liquidating $1 billion in property assets at a time of global economic uncertainty when their donations are dwindling.

there is also no guarantee that their appeal will be upheld.by dropping their appeal, they take a hit and pay $23.8 million but retain the freedom to see through their real estate projects; retain their financial flexibility to respond to dwindling donations, and get to pretend to their followers (as with the un scandal) that it never happened.of course, i am only saying that dropping the appeal would be the only intelligent option for the society, assuming they are aware of how legally precarious their child abuse policies are.

JakeM2012

Amelia,

You commented, " New Chapter I think, compensation works out to just a small donation of $4 per publisher."

This is interesting, I just got off the phone from a close friend that said that his RBC indicated that all Kingdom Halls were supposed to be finished by the end of the year, and that new assembly halls were to be pushed hard. So, once they get more assembly halls built they can be sure of a steady stream of money. Perhaps, what they have learned is that they can make more money off of the assembly hall rental than the fixed assets in Brooklyn used to print.

We know that most of the AHalls are paid for by the publishers donations before completion and WT continues to charge the same rent that they would previously have had. From what I have heard is that some assembly halls are sitting on 1 M or more and eventually donate it to wt.

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Silentlambs says Watchtower's Assets frozen only for a very short time

by chichimama_2 in

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found here.

https://www.facebook.com/williamh.bowen.

highlights mine.

JakeM2012

It will probably cost from 10-15% for a bond that they won't get back. I don't think they could legally print one for themselves.

It is great to see that bullying will be eventually punished. If this case hasn't got WT's legal department drafting a new child sexual abuse policy they better step up to the times. For this publishing company to have representatives call you personally to get your report, you would think they understood what the law says and the benefit for all victims to report these sexual crimes against children. The current policy of bullying victims, their families, and congregation elders to not report has to stop. Hopefully, this immenient threat of dimenished wealth will.

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Watchtower's Billion Dollars of Property Cannot Be Sold until Outcome of Conti Appeal

by Dogpatch in

30 minutes ago i just got off the phone with some important players in this case, and some things were relayed to me concerning a lot of details of the outcome of the last two days of court.

i am passing this on.

cynthia hampton, one of the main players in the candace conti case (and a close friend of 28 years), just informed me of a further, far more powerful move by the state of california against the watch tower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. by order of the superior court of the state of california - county of alameda (see documents below), until the watch tower's appeal, which won't begin until august 13th and will take up to two years to settle due to due process of law, has forbidden the watch tower to sell any more of its $1 billion in assets in the borough of brooklyn until the appeals case is finished, to assure they won't shelter their monies in the light of this most huge and devastating sexual abuse scandal ever to hit the watch tower society, and perhaps any other single-victim lawsuit.

JakeM2012

The freezing of wt’s property indicates:

· That the court means serious business

· That the court agrees with the jury verdict

· That the court does not trust wt like a “brother” with their holdings with their conduct and defense of the accusations.

I wondered also if the idea of freezing the assets was to make them think twice about an appeal. They may end up better off paying the $28 M and moving on. If they lose in a court appeal they will have the bad publicity again.

If they do chose to appeal and have to sell their property in 2+ years, they will say that Holy Spirit directed the delaying of the selling of property so that they could get a better price. Blah, Blah

Interesting if wt was presumed to be ready to settle out of court, why are they appealing it? What is money to the organization that is God’s representative on earth?

As far as the effect on the flock, I think they will probably handle this on a circuit level in the closing comments of the assembly. The DO will say something like, “I’m sure you have heard about this verdict”, briefly explain one side and then appear to be the real victim in the case. DO concludes with “we will have to wait on Jehovah”. Pass the plate. But on second thought, they said nothing about the UN matrimony and then disfellowshipped anyone that talked about it.

One thing for sure, the WT’s Master Spin Doctor will be on overtime.

Also most of corporate America has stopped the onslaught of sexual abuse charges. They are not in the news anymore. But corporations had lawyers re-write how they handled complaints and dealt with the problems. When the corporations were in court on allowing sexual abuse, politics could get involved with corporations that were paying hefty taxes already and be lenient. However, with wt, they don’t pay any taxes, and most of their followers are in the low income bracket.