Yalbadaoth
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"The founding of the world"
by Yalbadaoth inwhy are wt determined to relate the "founding of the world" to abel and "before the founding of the world" to a period before abel but after adam's sin?
there seems like a lot of twisting of verses and words to prove a point which always makes me suspicious of their motives!
(i have my own take on it but would like to hear others).