Read my comments thoroughly. If you are asking this then it shows you are dishonest. True JWs are not disonest. Honest people would have read the entire comment I wrote.
David_Jay
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
If you read my comments you would have seen that I said several times that I am Jewish.
You last comments prove you never read a thing I wrote.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
I did. I ADDED more information. You have to counter the ADDED information to prove your point.
You have to quote from sources that do not come from your religion like I did. I am Jewish. I used non-Jewish sources to prove my objectivity. You have to do the same.
Can you say with all honesty before Jehovah that you read every part of my last argument and researched every point and proved each point I raised as wrong, demonstrating to all here how I was incorrect? That is what you need to do.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
Again, how does what you just said disprove the points I raised. Goo back, read what I wrote, and see how what I raised makes what you just quoted from the Watchtower impossible.
And you cannot prove your point by merely quoting things that support your view, you only prove your point when you DISPROVE the other arguments. Until you do that, you prove nothing. You lose.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
A Believer,
Always put what you believe to the test. Approach your convictions as questionable unless you can verify your convictions, each of them, with disinterested parties. If others demonstrate that your conclusions don't work, then abandon them for those that do.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
BoC,
And your statement helps, how? A Believer can't be helped to learn how to check what he's taught if people are making fun of things as he does. Checking conclusions with disinterested parties is the basis of critical thinking. A Believer needs to be taught how to do this. Making fun of things right now can be a distraction.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
It would help, Believer, if you state where your references come from. It also helps to do like I am, to use references that don't come from your own religion to support your argument. This shows you are being objective.
Check Strong and Thayer for the actual basis of the word NAOS. They show that my statement is correct, that NAOS comes from the verb which means "dwell." This shows that NAOS means "divine dwelling," and can mean any shrine, temple, or building in which a deity is believed to be supernaturally present. They also support this.
First-century Greek is known to many Jews because the Septuagint is written in this language. You can use outside sources from authorities to back up my claims about the words and see from language authorities that I am not making things up.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
See? NAOS doesn't refer to the courtyards. It refers to the actual sanctuary, the "inner chamber," the Temple itself.
It comes from the Greek NAIO which means "dwell." That is why even the NWT refers to it as "temple" in John 2 but "shrine" in Acts 19 in reference to Artemis.
NAOS is only the Temple proper. The courtyard still exist today and parts of the Western Wall, but the NAOS is gone. The Temple is the building that no longer stands on the foundation mound in Jerusalem.
Thus the great crowd cannot be in the courtyard.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
A Believer,
Length of time of your studying can't prevent you from having answers. In the book of Job it is the youngest man with the least experience who proves all the older false friends of Job wrong.
Therefore if you are following Scripture your amount of time studying these things is not an answer in line with Scripture. If you can't reply to the arguments presented that means you have not studied all sides. And if you haven't studied all sides to a belief then you can't say one is true and another false.
You can't believe and preach that you have the truth when you can't prove it. Even Moses was given proof of miracles to show he had God's favor. You must show some evidence you are right by disproving every argument, step by step, or by not being able to do so you prove you don't really have sufficient evidence to prove your views.
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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David_Jay
Prove my arguments are false, A Believer, one by one, or bring reproach on Jehovah. For if you are truly of God, you will have the spirit of God and be able to show up that which is false.
But if you cannot prove that what I am saying is false, then you do not have God's spirit. And if you don't have God's spirit, you cannot be telling the truth.
In fact you should have the answers immediately. As a Jew who is not a member of your religion and doesn't hold a view of Jesus that you do, surely I cannot have more knowledge than a servant of the true God!
But if you cannot do so right here and now, you are no servant of God as you claim.