Posts by Leathercrop

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So what happens next...

by Farmer Jim1 in

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with what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.

in my mind these are the results;.

1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.

Leathercrop

But at this point, if the WTS did that, virtually everything they’ve done to shore up that claim for the past century will have been for nothing, and their demand for loyalty and obedience to the Org above all else becomes meaningless.

There’d be virtually zero incentive left to even be a JW

Vidiot

It's virtually already there, no reporting of time took this religion into mainstream, and the beard thing emphasized it. When you really can't tell the difference between a JW and a nonJw as clearly as you could even just 10 years ago, then you will definitely ask yourself what's the point?

People that seriously believe in God will turn inward for direction in life, the org will no longer be that banner.

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Next change?

by JW_Rogue in

so, first the turning in time got axed, now beards are okay, what is up next?

women wearing dress slacks to the meeting?

birthdays becoming acceptable?

Leathercrop

Mother's Day and Father's Day will be just fine next.

Birthdays will too eventually.

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

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hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Leathercrop

You are very welcome, and Jesus is inviting you too to become a king for his kingdom.

Ooof I'm still very much a sinner hehehe I have faith, I'll be happy wherever he places me, out of my control

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What is worse: 1914 or Beard change

by Gorb in

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what is worse for jw's: changing the 1914 doctrine or allowing beards without the right to say what their opinion is?.

g..

Leathercrop

get rid of 1914 they will have to come up with a long term plan which they don’t seem able to do.

Hoser,

I think you're seeing their long term plan in action actually. Chipping away at little things, seemingly little things bc the time reporting truly wasn't little. A couple more changes like these and the stage for 1914 will be set.

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

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hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Leathercrop

Revelation 5:9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth

Hi Kosonen, thanks for the verses. They're going to give me something to think about.

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What is worse: 1914 or Beard change

by Gorb in

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what is worse for jw's: changing the 1914 doctrine or allowing beards without the right to say what their opinion is?.

g..

Leathercrop

For the old guard, the beard thing may be just as bad. The old guard is seeing unprecedented changes. I know 100 elders, old and young, that must be saying WTF right now with the time reporting change and now the beard change. It communicates a major relaxation of the way things are done. But the old guard got older thinking that in the last days things would become MORE urgent, more finetuned, more severe... instead you can now decide for yourself what the word "ministry" is and wear beards...

It communicates to the old guard that they are likely much farther away from seeing Armageddon than they originally thought. Hell, the elders that studied with me were already saying 10 years ago that they were fearing living out this system. I don't know how the religion can keep saying the new system is just around the corner get ready, while at the same time changing rules to make things more lax.

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

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hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Leathercrop

But we must understand the purpose of the heavenly calling. It’s not just to come to a new exotic place, but to form a temporary 1000 year government to govern mankind, because mankind needs a perfect government until the whole mankind has matured in righteousness to the extent that they don’t need any supervisors anymore

Kosonen, this is my point. God indeed changed his original plan. So then, when does the Bible state, or even allude to the "fact" that things will go back to as they were in the beginning? Jesus never taught everlasting life on Earth. Neither did the apostles. No one ever talked about seeing Moses or David again. There's something missing here in the Greek scriptures about everlasting life on Earth. Perhaps I've forgotten it, although I still read the scriptures pretty regularly.

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What does God eat ?

by stan livedeath in

beans ?

( human beans ).

to those of you that believe in god: do you all believe the same thing ?.

Leathercrop

Leathercrop, if we assume that something is eternal --that it has always existed-- then there is no start point. It exists forever into the past. If that seems incomprehensible, that's because it is. At least to us, anyway. I cannot comprehend it. The notion of there never being a starting point simply doesn't compute. And yet, here we are

ah.. thanks for breaking that down Tonus. And yes, this is the type of stuff that often leads me to believe in God. Quantum physics, black holes, wormholes, mathematical infinities, dark matter... just some of the "realities" out there. What you described is similar to when physics theories start to fall apart, it's incomprehensible. These theories are so reliable we can send a ship into space and bring it back. Yet they do fall apart at the fringes. We don't have to go far, just the "hard" problem of how the animate can come from the inanimate alone, life from unliving matter is mindboggling. And yet, as you said, here we are.

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What does God eat ?

by stan livedeath in

beans ?

( human beans ).

to those of you that believe in god: do you all believe the same thing ?.

Leathercrop

An eternal universe would have literally taken forever to get us to this point. I just like the thought that god took forever to start, and that we can reason that out through simple inference.

Hmm... please explain further, I must admit I'm not following hehe

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Jesus never existed!!

by jw_uncovered in

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buddha of india .

he performed miracles and raised one man, el-azar-us, from the dead.

the sun is the "light of the world.

Leathercrop

Real" they are.... to us, but not necessarily with a basis in fact or reality, if they are only based on Faith or belief

There's a whole lot of "facts" and reality we assume as such based precisely on faith and belief. The line between facts and faith gets blurry very quickly upon closer examination.