Posts by redpilltwice

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My Bethel Exoerience part 14 "The Courtship"

by new boy in

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my strange bethel courtship started with me trying to meet mike stillman's sister, even though he worked in the ink room next to my elevator, we were not good friends, he was just a little to "country" for me........and on the self-righteous side too.

they say "there is nothing more dangerous in combat then a new guy with a map!

".........well, there was nothing more dangerous at bethel then a self-righteous new boy.. .

redpilltwice

Thank you for all these incredible stories. My first week here has shown me how endlessly deep the rabbit hole is! Truth stranger than fiction? Yes, in JW world it certainly is sir! Off course we wanted out of this cult

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Your Jehovah’s Witness Is Showing

by David_Jay in

since i just signed up and posted a few times without doing this yet, here is my story..

i think that i became a jehovahs witness because of my immaturity.

i had some quirky personality traits, and i joined finding that i fit in because, as i said to myself: these people get me.

redpilltwice

“What’s wrong?” I asked.

Randall’s mom, Eileen, spoke up. “You’re Jehovah’s Witness is showing,” she said.

Thanks for your intriguing story David-jay! There is a lot to read on this forum, but I'm glad that I took the effort to read all of your story. In fact, I learned from it. It showed me that I might need to excorcise more of my Borg-infected mindset than I tend to believe. Regardless the shame of being deceived, the brainwashing has proven to be very effective, no matter someone's intelligence. That's a fact

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To all JDub lurkers: How can you continue to preach knowing that you are telling lies?

by macys in

this is a damn serious question.

you must know by now that jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 bce and that 607 was initially picked by ct russell by using his "pyramid scheme" measurements.

there is no hiding these facts yet you continue to preach this nonsense.

redpilltwice

A damn serious question it is macys!

That's the reason I did my last hour last december. I went to zero in just four months, and only for the sake of my fading not to be too radical. How could anybody lie by showing "evidence" (Matthew 24 most cited) that we're living in the last days and that people need to hurry to get into the spiritual Ark (a.k.a. the Watchtower's Titanic) before it's too late? Any JW should know Russell believed the world was already so bad before 1914, that "his" last days started in 1799, Christ's parousia in 1874 and the end would come in 1914...COME ON!!!!

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Strange things I have seen and heard JWs do or say

by wwjdnwt in

i'm sure you guys have heard or seen similar.

they will accept christmas gifts from co workers most of the time.

just can't be wrapped in christmas paper.

redpilltwice

If Armageddon doesn't come soon, there's going to be a riot of Jehovah's Witnesses.

"And if there's anybody left in here

That doesn't want to be out there

I predict a riot

I predict a riot"

(Kaiser Chiefs - "I Predict a Riot", 2004)

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1872 - The Evening Prayer

by wifibandit in

most jehovah's witnesses believe that the book called the three worlds, published in 1877 by n.h. barbour and charles t. russell, was the first publication charles russell took part in publishing.. that is not true!.

in 1872 five years before the three worlds was published, charles t. russell and his father j.l.

russell published the evening prayer.. thanks wtunderground!.

redpilltwice

Wow, what a find! Thanks for sharing.

Page 3: "Now to thee our songs we raise...Lord accept our evening praise...Send thy blessing from above..."

Did he receive his blessing or what? He received "light" that the last days began in 1799, Christ's parousia in 1874, his institution as heavenly King in 1878 and Armageddon in 1914...oh no, 1915.

Errr...wait a minute...

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Are the 2015 Belgium Concert for Delegates and Kingdom Hall Cowboy Footloose Videos on Youtube for real?

by Maryo in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0fxyk4iba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qxdgtaskfm.

i find these shocking.

redpilltwice

These vids make me happy, this new generation simply demands some sort of life after all. No free card to mess with the Borg of course, but some restricted form of rebellion anyway. It's a good thing for those held hostage in the cult.

At our wedding party in 2000, we had two closing songs that made us very happy and many danced to it, namely "Sultans of swing" (Dire Straits) and "I was made for loving you" (Kiss). At another wedding a few years later, a few brothers and me danced on a stage with make-up and the well known cleaning supplies from Queen's "I want to break free". At that occasion, one elder came to me, laughing, and said: "It was on the edge, actually a little bit over it." But no big deal really. They seem to acknowlege that it's healthy to let off some steam now and then ;-)

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The disappointed look on a Jehovah's Witness face - that you're living a good and fulfilling life

by jambon1 in

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another thread got me thinking of this issue.

i don't think you'll ever come across a set of people with such a skewed and twisted outlook on life.. my memory serves me well when i recall a sort of blood lusting excitement over things like the 9/11 atrocities.

in fact i remember jw's describing the event as 'sad but exciting.

redpilltwice

I agree with everything you wrote. They seem to be thriving on bad news and in need of torture stakes in order to fulfill prophecy, but bad news already was so bad before 1914 that Russell believed the last days started in 1799! Held hostage since 1879, sad but true...

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Powerball Jackpot up to 1.3 Billion Dollars. Do you think the governing body bought any tickets?

by My Name is of No Consequence in

what if the governing body members bought a ticket or somehow obtained one.

then the unthinkable happens...they won!

how would they be able to hide that?

redpilltwice

However, an Apple-watch for everyone?

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Powerball Jackpot up to 1.3 Billion Dollars. Do you think the governing body bought any tickets?

by My Name is of No Consequence in

what if the governing body members bought a ticket or somehow obtained one.

then the unthinkable happens...they won!

how would they be able to hide that?

redpilltwice

It doesn't matter, their tickets to heaven will be cashed very, very soon!

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The wonderful things you hear AFTER you step down as an elder!

by redpilltwice in

well, well, that was quite a heartfelt welcome on this site four days ago.

thank you all for the encouraging replies.

one of them was this one from magnum: "hey now, don't just pop your head in and disappear.

redpilltwice

Well, well, that was quite a heartfelt welcome on this site four days ago. Thank you all for the encouraging replies. One of them was this one from magnum: "Hey now, don't just pop your head in and disappear. Hang around and contribute." That's what I call 'stimulus' magnum!

So, before I go back to the first seeds of doubt regarding my own fading, I'd like to share a few shocking confessions that brothers dared to share with me AFTER I stepped down as an elder four months ago. Of course, that (false) threat of authority was now away from me, and also rumours that I no longer believed in 607 BCE and had problems with the handling of sexual abuse spread like wild fire and must have influenced this sudden openness of these brothers LOL. As you all probably know, many BOE's are concerned regarding the motivation and willingness of new and younger brothers to grow spiritually and take responsibilities. We often felt a little bit sad and frustrated, wondering what could be the cause of this long-term stagnation and if it had something to do with materialism, weak spiritual habits, sisters slowing down their husbands etc.. The “spirit-directed” remedy often would be to join them in field service to find out what really lived in their hearts, or planning specific home visits to encourage them to "seek Jehovah first" etc. Well, I soon would discover what was in some hearts!

# 1 One "weak", unbaptized brother met me at the gas station during my fading. He always had the habit of leaving the KH after the public talk on Sunday and I asked him why he did that. The answer was shocking and something no elder could have ever imagined! He first stated that he didn’t like the many preconceived answers during the WT study, but also had his own life-after-death experiences and could not listen to WT pleadings for a mortal soul! He sounded VERY convinced and wasn’t talking about paradise on earth or the resurrection when he told me he KNEW life didn’t end with death. He also shared his horror about the O.T. and how he didn’t like those books. This would have been enough to hand him over to WT police and get him in deep trouble, but I just thanked him for sharing this with me. I realized that I wasn’t the only one with “strange” thoughts!! The Borg thinks they can control the mind, but in fact are fooling themselves by forcing these “weak” sheep to keep it all for themselves, knowing there simply is no room for Christian freedom to discuss different opinions, such as the long drawn out issue regarding circumcision (Acts 15). This brother wasn’t weak, he was simply bored during the WT study and condemned outright some of WT’s most precious teachings, the mortality of the soul…WOW!

#2 Another friendly, easy going, baptized brother was known as the “philosopher”. You know, the kind of guy that always seemed to be more open for a more tolerant view regarding evolution, or that always seemed to consider the GB for what they really are: imperfect men, capable of serious mistakes and certainly not to be given any kind of divine status. These were not his only “controversial” opinions, and his reputation kind of disqualified him for an appointment as ministerial servant. Later, when he became aware of MY doubts, he made my jaw drop by agreeing with most of my points! It even got better when he turned out to be in possession of F. Franz’s well known book “Crisis of Conscience”. Now I was even more amazed and I said: “What? And you’re still in?” He told me he still believes we’re living in the last days and he just loves sharing bible stories with elderly persons during field service, but he also has many doubts regarding the GB en would never ever accept an appointment as an elder. He told me he even had this “Apostate Bible” on the bookshelf in his kitchen in full sight, while having the CO and his wife for dinner! HS must have been at work because they didn’t notice anything, but afterwards, his wife couldn’t believe he dared to take such a risk! Well, this guy has balls, I tell you! I even borrowed this book from him and am reading it! This brother already had the book before his bible study, but told nobody and never had the time to really digest it (maybe another reason he is still in?), but I tell you…I will!

So far… These brothers would be in serious trouble if I had informed my former fellow-elders about their “apostate” thoughts and “unscriptural” opinions, but no, I was happy instead, finally knowing what REALLY kept these brothers busy ;-) These two experiences teach me that the WT has no control of the sheep, that there is a growing underground movement with serious doubts WITHIN the organization, not just outside. Within a few years,without a doubt, they will suffer a LACK of qualified elders. Yes, these “weak” brothers still visit (some) meetings and do field service, but how many actually DONATE and how many still cherish their OWN independent mindset, in spite of all the rubbish that is presented to them as “light”?

If only the likes of those in my area would do the extra mile and become more activist, whatever the input in “apostate” activities.

Cheers!