Posts by redpilltwice

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Stephen Lett at our assembly today

by StarTrekAngel in

he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

wife typed up the whole thing.

i will be posting when i get a chance.

a more appropriate logo instead of JW.org, drawn by my brother who is Still a witness, but weary of some things.

by foreverfreenow in

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redpilltwice

Excellent! Your brother appreciates science fiction as much as the GB. Love the robot eye!

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John Denham Parsons

by opusdei1972 in

"the non-christian cross" by john denham parsons, is a work that is still used by the watchtower society as a "proof" that the greek word stauros does not mean cross.

here a portion of this work:.

now the greek word which in latin versions of the new testament is translated as crux, and in english versions is rendered as cross, i.e., the word stauros, seems to have, at the beginning of our era, no more meant a cross than the english word stick means a crutch.

redpilltwice

I like that new 21st century generation, Smiddy.

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Daughter FINALLY escaped!

by MindBlown666 in

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wow....has it been a while!

i hope many of you are doing good!

it's awesome to see many of you holding strong, and keeping the site going!.

redpilltwice

As a free family with three daughters, I almost cried reading your post. So happy for you all!

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Governing Body Epic Fails Compilation

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wabsbzzt7xw

redpilltwice

slimboyfat wrote: At the very end Jackson claims the GB have apologised in the past about other things. The narrator says they haven't. I guess Jackson has in mind the non-apology apology about 1975 that appeared in one of the Yearbooks. If that counts that's still only one example. Are there any others?

Hmmm, what about this one?
*** w13 1/1 p. 8 Should You Fear the End of the World? ***HAVE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES GIVEN INCORRECT DATES FOR THE END?Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. Like Jesus’ first-century disciples, we have sometimes looked forward to the fulfillment of prophecy ahead of God’s timetable. (Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2) We agree with the sentiment of longtime Witness A. H. Macmillan, who said: “I learned that we should admit our mistakes and continue searching God’s Word for more enlightenment.”
Not an apology really, but it doesn't seem to get closer than this, right?

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Is the reasoning book no longer in use ?

by opusdei1972 in

i would like to know if witnesses are still using the reasoning book in the field service.

i am asking about it, because i had read that it is currently out of print, doesn't it??

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redpilltwice

Don't know if it's out of print. It better be, it's so outdated! Can you imagine the number of misquotations? I've been waiting for an updated, fresh version for many years, but now it's too late...I'm out!

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Some elders tactics during my fading (appeal to emotion and circular reasoning)

by redpilltwice in

first of all, hats off and thank you to all the wonderful and intelligent people i've met and observed on this incredible forum.

it's about time to share some more experiences regarding my recent fading, which began end september.

not very spectacular i think, but reckonizable maybe.

redpilltwice

Thank you Phizzy and Flipper. It's so sad to see they are not able to break through that WT fence. Maybe one day, some words and memories of these kind of debates will become seeds of TTATT.

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Daily Mirror article about JWs destroying evidence

by Tornintwo in

i can't see another thread but maybe i missed it:.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jehovahs-witnesses-paedophile-sex-abuse-7278824#comments-section.

redpilltwice

Thanks for sharing this Tornintwo. The page loaded, no problem in my case. It's good the media pays attention to this "memo telling them [elders] to get rid of notes taken during “judicial meetings” with alleged sex offenders.". It truly was a disgusting thing to do!

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Some elders tactics during my fading (appeal to emotion and circular reasoning)

by redpilltwice in

first of all, hats off and thank you to all the wonderful and intelligent people i've met and observed on this incredible forum.

it's about time to share some more experiences regarding my recent fading, which began end september.

not very spectacular i think, but reckonizable maybe.

redpilltwice

First of all, hats off and thank you to all the wonderful and intelligent people I've met and observed on this incredible forum. It's about time to share some more experiences regarding my recent fading, which began end september. Not very spectacular I think, but reckonizable maybe. I must say, my fading went extremely well so far. As I wrote earlier, I dropped the A-bomb during CO's last visit by writing a letter that put forward my doubts regarding 1914 and the handling of sexual abuse. The content could have been enough to send a JC after me, but I played the game well. During my fading, I only had a few concerned brothers at my door now and then (no problem) and only two meetings with a few elders that wanted to know about my family conditions and personal doubts. When discussing doctrine, it was a draw twice. They simply clung to the old, dusty WT literature and guidelines and I carefully tried to reason out-of-the-box, not revealing my sources, such as jw.facts, ad 1914 etc.

One of the elders tried to make an appeal to emotion twice, looking at me with melancholy eyes and reminding me of my visit to an international convention in the USA back in 1998, where I took some photographs with some GB members personally (John Barr and his wife and Daniel Sydlic). The elder knew how this always has been one of my personal highlights in the Borg and that the impact got me to become a regular pioneer soon after. Nevertheless his tactics didn't work, just as they didn't work regarding WTdoctrine. I always felt this was a conscious attempt to unbalance me, but I also felt I always was one step further in this psychological game. It also showed that, during this stage of our discussion, they must have felt that I wasn't going to give up my new insights!

Another example, also known as circular reasoning (a classic example is: the bible is the word of god because the bible says it is the word of god).

I brought to their attention that the WT's own literature gives room to the idea that 70 years of Babylonian domination does not necessarily imply literally 70 years of Jewish exile. To reinforce my argument I let them read the following section:

*** ip-1 chap. 19 p. 253 Jehovah Profanes the Pride of Tyre ***

“She Must Return to Her Hire”

21 Isaiah goes on to prophesy: “It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king.” (Isaiah 23:15a) Following the destruction of the mainland city by the Babylonians, the island-city of Tyre will “be forgotten.” True to the prophecy, for the duration of “one king”—the Babylonian Empire—the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble. What will then happen to Tyre?

I found this on jw.facts, but of course I didn't tell them, because it was straight from our own literature. So I asked the elder: Why can't this same interpretation be applied to Israel's exile, in order to honestly take in account the evidence against 607 BCE?

His answer was..."Well, you know, 1914, right?

I couldn't believe my ears! In order to get to the right interpretation, the desired WT answer became the evidence itself, no matter how strong the case for a better, more truth based answer may have been!

At this point, I even was more convinced I had chosen the right path by taking the red pill again (yes, the Matrix analogy). The first red pill (my bible study period during the 90's that got me out of the assumed Babylon the Great), didn't turn out to be a real one, but hey, there truly is good news...I'm not alone! The number of deserters is growing by the day, what an exciting time!

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Stepping out of the shadows

by contramundum in

i have been lurking on the site for a few months and thought it about time i plucked up the courage to step out of the shadows and say hello.. i am in the process of fading after realizing all is not right with the organization i had trusted implicitly for over 40 years.

there have always been 'truths' i have struggled to accept entirely, even as a child, but was confident that trusting in jehovah, building my faith and remaining patient would be enough to settle any nagging doubts that remained, so i pushed any inconsistencies to the back of my mind and concentrated on being the best witness that i could be.. over the last few years, however, i have been preoccupied with a number of crises in my family and stepping back slightly from 'theocratic' activity has allowed me to re evaluate a number of concerns and research sources other than the sanitized wt publications.. my eyes are now wide open - i found things which have appalled me and left me feeling extremely let down and disappointed by people i had really trusted.. i tried gently raising a few subjects with my mum (who was baptized early '70s and still remains a staunch wt supporter) but she will hear no criticism of the organization.

i understand this because the best part of her life has been invested in the religion and to acknowledge it may have got things wrong would be to recognize the last 40 years have been a vain waste.

redpilltwice

Welcome to the forum! 40+ years? Wow, the shock must have been BIG, but you DID IT, congrats! Maybe your mum isn't ready yet, but some real critical thinking can rear up any given time in this information era, just have patience and guard yourself against emotional backlash.