Posts by redpilltwice

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Great article about intelligent design in science without being religious

by EndofMysteries in

for those who think that belief or the possibility of intelligent design means you must accept or believe everything or anything you have heard about god or a god is incorrect.

i'll quote one line from the article, " but intelligent design, unlike creationism, is not based upon the bible.

design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

redpilltwice

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Your many hours investigating the claims of the ID movement mean as much as my hours of investigating the claims of Darwinism. It's our mindset that influences us regarding what data/arguments we tend to embrace.

"In the beginning god created...."
ID is nothing more than Gen.1:1 dressed up in pseudoscience.

Oversimplification, way too easy. Show me the verses and their context in ID articles that are used as core argument for their conclusions.

See Dover v Kitzmiller for an expose of the dishonesty of ID

I did, not impressive (although I admit Behe could've done better). But hey, WT also won a few court cases in the past, and what does that tell about their doctrine in detail? Not very much...

In turn, did you see these for an expose of some dishonesty of Dover v Kitzmiller? I'm not pushing you to give vent to some more scepticism towards evolution, but you use the word "fact" a lot. It's not always black or white Cofty (like: evolution is correct, otherwise you're uneducated/intellectual dishonest), there's still a lot of grey (gaps/contradictions) when it comes to things like macro-evolution and universal common descent. What about a more modest "We still don't really know" or "Not enough empirical evidence yet"?

Ten Myths About Dover: #1, "Judge Jones Addressed theActual Theory of ID, Not a Straw Man"

Ten Myths About Dover: #2: "Judge Jones Is a Brilliant, Neutral Legal Scholar Who Figured Out ID"

Ten Myths About Dover: #3, "Intelligent Design Has No Peer-Reviewed Research or Publications"

Ten Myths About Dover: #4, "The Dover Ruling Refuted Intelligent Design"

Ten Myths About Dover: #5, "Discovery Institute Supported Dover School Board Policy"

Ten Myths About Dover: #6, "Judge Jones, No Activist, Stayed Strictly Within His Authority"

Ten Myths About Dover: #7, "The Dover Case Showed ID Is 'Religious' and a Form of 'Creationism'"

Ten Myths About Dover: #8, "Michael Behe Admitted that ID Is No More Scientific than Astrology"

Ten Myths About Dover: #9, "The ID Movement Had Its Day in Court"

Ten Myths About Dover: #10, "The Intelligent Design Movement Died After the Dover Decision"

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Great article about intelligent design in science without being religious

by EndofMysteries in

for those who think that belief or the possibility of intelligent design means you must accept or believe everything or anything you have heard about god or a god is incorrect.

i'll quote one line from the article, " but intelligent design, unlike creationism, is not based upon the bible.

design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

redpilltwice

I have already invested many many hours investigating the claims of the ID movement. I would not criticise something I didn't understand.

That depends. With all respect, mindset matters.

It is 100% biblical creationism.

100%? Then show me the verses Cofty..

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Great article about intelligent design in science without being religious

by EndofMysteries in

for those who think that belief or the possibility of intelligent design means you must accept or believe everything or anything you have heard about god or a god is incorrect.

i'll quote one line from the article, " but intelligent design, unlike creationism, is not based upon the bible.

design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

redpilltwice

Wow, a lot of bias against ID here! Creationism here, religion there...courtroom here, no peer-reviewed papers there... many red herrings. Why? Don't want to talk about god? Ok, just leave him out of the discussion, simple as that. Check and consider all available info... infer from reality and experience... do not condemn too fast... For instance... ID has peer-reviewed articles, although it's certainly not the holy grail. It's about the arguments, honesty and a healthy dose of logic right? Not about an agenda, which almost every group seems to have anyway (including some evolutionists).

Not everything is what it looks like, and this can be a double-edged sword!

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¡Great Leak! Compleat Program: Jehovah's Witnesses' 2016 Regional Convention, "Remain Loyal to Jehovah!"

by hildebrando in

download and see:.

http://hildeydesa.blogspot.cl/2016/06/compleat-program-jehovahs-witnesses.html.

please, use laptot, google chrome and load twice.

redpilltwice

Thanks jwleaks. I will not download (knew the program anyway, so no big leak after all) and leave matters into Simons hands...

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JWs Letters Target Recently Bereaved

by steve2 in

current media attention in new zealand is focusing on the case of a woman whose male friend died three months.

she received a handwritten letter personally addressed to her and her deceased friend with a series of questions about what happens after death.

the woman was furious and, accompanied by news media, door-knocked the address provided by the letter writer.

redpilltwice

Thanks for the link steve2.

"What happens to us when we die?" was among the questions the letter asked.

"I opened it and I was really devastated, I was really f...ed off," Sergent-Shadbolt said.

This might not be an unusual reaction (in spite of what WT writes of course).

And yes, housebound JW's were sometimes encouraged to do so (only now seeing sir82's comment), although I could not find direct instructions to do so. It is just acknowledged as a way of giving testimony.

If you still have the WT Library cd-rom, just search for "obituary" and you'll find stuff like this:

*** km 1/70 p. 8 par. 3 Presenting the Good News—By Letter ***

So the brother gave his name and address to this sister, who continued to develop the interest by mail. Some names she gets from the obituary column.

*** yb95 p. 47 Worldwide Report ***

Now 94, she is still busy witnessing. Recently she completed a year of auxiliary pioneer service. She is able to walk a little with a cane—enough to take advantage of the opportunities presented when neighbors, friends, relatives, salesmen, postmen, or anyone else calls. Still she has to do most of her witnessing with a pen. She finds names and addresses in the obituary columns in the daily paper and writes to some of these. How happy she is when replies of appreciation come!

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Cover of the September 2016 Watchtower.

by jwfacts in

the cover of the 2016 september watchtower has an islander couple preaching.

the brother looks like he may be fijian in a traditional skirt standing in a river, doing a presentation on an apple ipad.

i can't imagine there are many families that can afford an ipad in the pacific islands.

redpilltwice

PHOTOSHOPPED OR NOT, NO CALEB & SOPHIA VIDEO CAN CREEP ME OUT!!!

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JW Broadcasting is the likely end of the road for JWs

by oldskool in

i started leaving the group in 04', and quit following what they do around 08'.

my recent posts express my reaction to what has happened since.. i just "tuned in" to the jw broadcasting episode for may 2016. it is worth a viewing.

gb member anthony morris describes what is basically the thrust of why this entire effort exists.

redpilltwice

Interesting observations oldskool, I agree.

Once I told my non-jw mother I was out (she visited just a few meetings out of interest for her son's new religion), she immediately confessed to me she always felt we as adults were treated like children. Be obedient...otherwise the devil will get you!

She was so right and I feel so stupid. Everytime I'm confronted with that cringing holier-than-thou Caleb & Sophia crap or the GB members desperately trying to sell their bulls&%t as refined gold on JWbroadcast, I can't believe the rank and file jw's buy it as spiritual food at the proper time.

Although it's clear the heydays of jw are over, it always takes courage and critical thinking in order to see and accept TTATT... many will never leave because of family ties and/or cognitive dissonance.

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I was helping a Mature Sister with her tablet for downloading the meeting and then noticed ...

by Quarterback in

this sweet older sister needed help and while trying to download the clm on her tablet, the history showed some porn pictures.

how does someone overlook that and carry on?.

redpilltwice

Wasanelder Once wrote: An old brother I knew had bestiality on his computer, go figure? He was a Ministerial Pervant too.

Maybe he was preparing a talk and did some research on Leviticus.

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JW Broadcasting reeks of desperation

by oldskool in

again, i'm a decade removed from the faith.

i'm catching up now, and can't believe what i'm seeing.. i get that jw leadership faced a dilemma.

there is no intellectual apparatus within the faith.

redpilltwice

I feel as if their entire faith has been turned into a circus.

We know who and where the clown are don't we?

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Dutch branch refuses to meet with LGBT rights organization.

by Anders Andersen in

in the wake of the anti-gay cartoon, the coc (dutch lgbt rights organization) invited watchtower netherlands to discuss how watchtower is dealing with lgbt people in their ranks.

focus of the meeting would be on making sure lgbt jw feel safe and fully accepted.. today several newspapers are reporting that the branch declined the invitation, stating that they 'can't imagine lgbt jw feeling unsafe.

the branch won't talk to coc, but they might discuss internally with lgbt jw.'.

redpilltwice

Nice footage Anders! The COC rightfully says it's unbelievable that JW headquarters don't want to talk about safety regarding JW LGBT's while they ALWAYS want to talk about their beliefs.

Also great CoC offers support for JW LGBT's that want to discuss this matter within the Borg.

Talking about human rights!!! It seems WT again will be put to shame by satan's ungodly system of things.