Posts by redpilltwice

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Feeling Sad After Uncovering TTATT

by pale.emperor in

my initial pangs of unease and doubt led me to research some things.

well, a lot of things really.

i've never felt comfortable using the bible to try to calculate dates (1914).

redpilltwice

Pale, I truly feel sorry for your state of mind in this early stage of awakening. I feel your pain, I really do. At the same time it's a wonderful step to accept TTATT and that takes honesty and a lot of courage, congrats on that too...you DID IT!

You wrote:

People dont just "stop going", they "become weak and fall away". Or they "leave Jehovah".

All I can say is that time does heal. My wife and children accepted TTATT immediately after me and as a family it took us only 2, 3 meetings before we DID stop going 100%. We didn't want to expose ourselves to the WT lies and indoctrination any longer, and we still feel good about that crucial step. As an ex-elder, I knew how to play the game and avoided to be disfellowshipped. Looking back at the past 8 months of our fade, we can only say it worked well for us... (so far!)

But... every situation is different, I'm sure you may need more time. Time for yourself to heal, and time for a good fading strategy for the near future. Many who are not able to get out, just protect themselves by thinking about other things during the meetings, just observing the body language of Borg captives, or even reading social media or "apostate" websites on their tablets/smartphones. They also "vote" with their wallet, by not allowing one single penny to disappear in the belly of the beast! I'm sure you'll find a lot of comfort and similar situations on this forum...many suggestions already have been given here, so read and/or ask and choose what works best for you.

I wish you all the best in your situation and always remember...you're not alone!

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Banned Publications in Russia

by Maryo in

does anyone know exactly what publications are on the "list" as banned in russia and what the objectionable language is?.

redpilltwice

A LIST OF BANNED PUBLICATIONS??? HMM...HAVE A MOMENT?

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Do you work a lot of overtime?

by hoser in

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what is the normal attitude as to working overtime?

.

how many hours do you work in a week?.

redpilltwice

No, I hate it! Need time for social media

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Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

by raven in

i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

redpilltwice

If demons really would exist, they would've slaughtered us all by now!

Some "possessions", like the one of Anneliese Michel, look scary as hell, but hey (like Cofty mentioned), many generations before us were superstitious as hell, so it might be still a bit in the blood, so to say (and Hollywood thrives on it).

A possible explanation could be found in the realm of psychiatry (see wikipedia's section below):

Psychiatric treatment[edit]

In June 1970, Michel suffered a third seizure at the psychiatric hospital where she had been staying. She was prescribed anti-convulsion drugs for the first time, including Dilantin, which did not bring about immediate alleviation. She began talking about seeing "devil faces" at various times of the day.[3] That same month, she was prescribed another drug, Aolept, which is similar to chlorpromazine and is used in the treatment of various psychoses includingschizophrenia and disturbed behavior; in her case possibly spiritual delusions.[4] In depression by 1973, she beganhallucinating while praying, and complained about hearing voices telling her that she was "damned" and would "rot in hell".[6] Michel's treatment in a psychiatric hospital did not improve her health and her depression worsened. Long term treatment did not help either, and she grew increasingly frustrated with the medical intervention. Being a devout Catholic, she began to attribute it to demonic possession. Michel became intolerant of sacred places and objects, such as the crucifix.[3]

Michel went to San Damiano with a family friend who regularly organized such pilgrimages to "holy places"—not officially recognized by the church.[7] Her escort concluded that she was suffering from demonic possession because she was unable to walk past a crucifix and refused to drink the water of a holy spring. Both she and her family became convinced and consulted several priests, asking for an exorcism.[6] The priests declined, recommended the continuation of medical treatment, and informed the family that exorcisms required the bishop's permission. In theCatholic Church, official approval for an exorcism is given when the person strictly meets the set criteria, then they are considered to be suffering from possession (infestatio) and under demonic control. Intense dislike for religious objects and "supernatural powers" are some of the first indications.[5] Michel worsened physically and displayed aggression, self-injury, drank her own urine and ate insects. In November 1973, Michel started her treatment withTegretol, an anti-seizure drug and mood stabilizer. She was prescribed anti-psychotic drugs during the course of the religious rites and took them frequently until shortly before her death.[4][8]

In 1984, the bishops made a petition to the Vatican regarding the exorcism rite and a commission passed on the decision that she was mentally ill, not possessed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4n9vK0_mdk

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До свидания! Russia

by sp74bb in

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our sources in the russian front do confirm it.

service desk of russian branch is being transferred urgently to finland.. до свидания russia :).

redpilltwice

King of the North!!!

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Amended URL for "1919" presentation

by Doug Mason in

as the result of feedback and comments, i made some minor adjustments to the presentation on the watchtower's method for calculating 1919. these adjustments are so minor that i doubt whether most people will notice them.

i guess i am a bit of a pedant.. anyway, the urls for the touched-up files are:.

for the powerpoint show: http://www.jwstudies.com/appointed_in_1919_version_2.ppsx.

redpilltwice

Thank you Doug, very interesting.

We often focus on 1914, but maybe it's even more bizar how Rutherford claimed/took his authority in 1919 in true apostolic succession-style! Creepy...

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"Just don't overthink the truth"

by stuckinarut2 in

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so after almost a year of complete inactivity and non attendance, i ran into a nice brother from the local congregation.. after some nice chit-chat, he says "we really miss you and your family...etc...you were always the kind and supportive one, the approachable and encouraging one in the congregation.

your absence has confused so many".

i thanked him and said "oh no, no individual has stumbled us.

redpilltwice

Thanks stuckinarut2.

Same story here. At first "they" thought I needed some rest and more family time. That was 8 months ago. Last elder that visited me told me the congregation doesn't understand.

lol, I will teach them TTATT if they need an explanation, but suddenly no one dares to visit me anymore...

I think deep in their hearts, they KNOW...

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Great article about intelligent design in science without being religious

by EndofMysteries in

for those who think that belief or the possibility of intelligent design means you must accept or believe everything or anything you have heard about god or a god is incorrect.

i'll quote one line from the article, " but intelligent design, unlike creationism, is not based upon the bible.

design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

redpilltwice

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Your many hours investigating the claims of the ID movement mean as much as my hours of investigating the claims of Darwinism. It's our mindset that influences us regarding what data/arguments we tend to embrace.

"In the beginning god created...."
ID is nothing more than Gen.1:1 dressed up in pseudoscience.

Oversimplification, way too easy. Show me the verses and their context in ID articles that are used as core argument for their conclusions.

See Dover v Kitzmiller for an expose of the dishonesty of ID

I did, not impressive (although I admit Behe could've done better). But hey, WT also won a few court cases in the past, and what does that tell about their doctrine in detail? Not very much...

In turn, did you see these for an expose of some dishonesty of Dover v Kitzmiller? I'm not pushing you to give vent to some more scepticism towards evolution, but you use the word "fact" a lot. It's not always black or white Cofty (like: evolution is correct, otherwise you're uneducated/intellectual dishonest), there's still a lot of grey (gaps/contradictions) when it comes to things like macro-evolution and universal common descent. What about a more modest "We still don't really know" or "Not enough empirical evidence yet"?

Ten Myths About Dover: #1, "Judge Jones Addressed theActual Theory of ID, Not a Straw Man"

Ten Myths About Dover: #2: "Judge Jones Is a Brilliant, Neutral Legal Scholar Who Figured Out ID"

Ten Myths About Dover: #3, "Intelligent Design Has No Peer-Reviewed Research or Publications"

Ten Myths About Dover: #4, "The Dover Ruling Refuted Intelligent Design"

Ten Myths About Dover: #5, "Discovery Institute Supported Dover School Board Policy"

Ten Myths About Dover: #6, "Judge Jones, No Activist, Stayed Strictly Within His Authority"

Ten Myths About Dover: #7, "The Dover Case Showed ID Is 'Religious' and a Form of 'Creationism'"

Ten Myths About Dover: #8, "Michael Behe Admitted that ID Is No More Scientific than Astrology"

Ten Myths About Dover: #9, "The ID Movement Had Its Day in Court"

Ten Myths About Dover: #10, "The Intelligent Design Movement Died After the Dover Decision"

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Great article about intelligent design in science without being religious

by EndofMysteries in

for those who think that belief or the possibility of intelligent design means you must accept or believe everything or anything you have heard about god or a god is incorrect.

i'll quote one line from the article, " but intelligent design, unlike creationism, is not based upon the bible.

design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

redpilltwice

I have already invested many many hours investigating the claims of the ID movement. I would not criticise something I didn't understand.

That depends. With all respect, mindset matters.

It is 100% biblical creationism.

100%? Then show me the verses Cofty..

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Great article about intelligent design in science without being religious

by EndofMysteries in

for those who think that belief or the possibility of intelligent design means you must accept or believe everything or anything you have heard about god or a god is incorrect.

i'll quote one line from the article, " but intelligent design, unlike creationism, is not based upon the bible.

design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

redpilltwice

Wow, a lot of bias against ID here! Creationism here, religion there...courtroom here, no peer-reviewed papers there... many red herrings. Why? Don't want to talk about god? Ok, just leave him out of the discussion, simple as that. Check and consider all available info... infer from reality and experience... do not condemn too fast... For instance... ID has peer-reviewed articles, although it's certainly not the holy grail. It's about the arguments, honesty and a healthy dose of logic right? Not about an agenda, which almost every group seems to have anyway (including some evolutionists).

Not everything is what it looks like, and this can be a double-edged sword!