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  Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

  full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

  consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

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  Disillusioned JW,

  "Tossing of the sea" is the correct translation because that is that the interlinear says. When you toss a coin, it is all about a vertical rise of the coin from your palm to the height of your choice.

  
  

  This predicted "tossing of the sea" [which is now softly worded as "sea-level rise"] is to happen before "Great Tribulation" which is already underway from 2020, and "Great Tribulation" will last over a decade because Last Generation is of 120 years.*

  
  

  Why many Bible translators missed this is not important because they have also deliberately made wrong translations. For example, only KJV, Duay and Wycliffe got rightly Romans 14:17. NW translation of JWs made deliberate mistake in Mathew 25:46 where they translated as "eternal cutting off" which no other translations have done it. (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5915507227099136/new-world-translation-much-different-other-translations.)

  
  

  Interestingly, secular person gained the victory over JWs. John Hogue published a book in 2016 implying great tribulation would start from 2020 because the very title of his book was: "

  The Roaring 2020s: Decade of Destruction and Transformation

  http://www.hogueprophecy.com/predictions-2016-the-expanded-donors-only-edition/

  
  People will readily accept such a message because they are desperate as the South Korea is now planning to do. (https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/south-korea-plans-to-host-worlds-first-floating-city-by-2025/) JWs are struck in the literal reading of "seventy years" exile foretold for the Jews. Yet Jews began returning after fifty years, state all of Jewish documents.

  *That means 70 years is like 120-year lifespan foretold for humans. (Genesis 6:3) Some will live less or more than 120 years. Moses lived 120 years (Deuteronomy 34:1-12), the full years of what God decreed as duration of one generation. (Genesis 6:3) That means First World war started in 1914 + 120 = 2034, which means “Last Days” or Last Generation would last till 2034. During this period, "sea-level rise" would be something about which people will feel like "fainting out of fear."
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  Satans plans

  by asp59 in

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  if you are a believer.

  what you think was the most important thing for satan to stop.

  the preaching work or humans becoming kings and priest in heaven?.

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  JWs' understanding about Satan is wrong. They made the mistake of taking Satan literally whereas Jesus and his half-brother James taught evil as originating from within each human being. (Mark 7:21–23); James 1:13) When James says God has “not tested anybody,” but humans are “tested” by their own greed, he makes even the Serpent/Satan in Genesis account too symbolic. For Psalmist, serpent was a symbol of “poison and disobedience.” (Psalm 58:4–5) The word for serpent, used in Genesis account, is “nahash” and it literally means ”Serpent, Bronze, Oracle.” It can also mean “ability to achieve a great technological feat,” or “some kind of mental process, usually intuitive and usually impure or otherwise detrimental.“ (Nahash)

  Interestingly, Jesus never intended his followers to be made into an organizational set up with ladder-like authority structure as also seen among JWs which Jesus described as the characteristics of “pagans.” (Luke (LUK.22.24-27) So question is “how can pagans understand Satan or God?”

  Literal understanding is of no help. For example, literal understanding about a drunkard is to think "he has money to enjoy life." You don't feel the need to help him. But in essence, you see him as an unhappy one. Empathy results, you feel like helping to come out of his inebriated, hopeless state.
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  Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

  full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

  consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

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  Situation is not comparable with other times.

  In the past, we could boast we have technology, but now technology is the culprit. (Financial Times)

  Governments too are powerless because their main source of income is from fossil fuel or from taxes on it, and they want to exploit the same till its supply is exhausted. (The Glasgow summit left a huge hole in the world’s plans to curb climate change)
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  Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

  full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

  consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

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  There seems to be no end to the tunnel of Pandemic as UN has named another dreaded one Omicron as "Variant of Concern.") https://www.who.int/news/item/26-11-2021-classification-of-omicron-(b.1.1.529)-sars-cov-2-variant-of-concern)

  
  

  It is true that JWs failed to identify them as they are now distracted. (Mathew 24:45-51)

  But things are unfolding according to Bible prophecies. Jesus had foretold that people of "Last Days" would “faint out of fear” because of things such as "pestilence," “sea-level rise’ as part of “signs of Last Days” in Luke 21:11, 25. Bible Translators—including New World Translation of Jehovah’s Witnesses—missed the real meaning as they translated it as “roaring of the sea and its agitation.” (https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/nwt/books/luke/21/)

  More careful Translations such as NIV put it: “roaring and tossing of the sea.” (https://biblehub.com/luke/21-25.htm) Word for “tossing” is σάλου (salou), from saino; i.e., billow,” (swell outwards). Thus underlying thought is like balloon swelling, or water flowing outwards, as though ready to roll over, thus points to the modern terminology “sea-level rise.” Biblos Interlinear Translation (INT:) translates it as “of [the] sea and rolling surge.” “Rolling Sea.” (A Greek Lexicon to the New Testament, Edward ROBINSON (D.D., page 416) (A Greek Lexicon to the New Testament on the basis of Dr. Robinson ... by C. Robson).

  Jesus’ original use of the wording “tossing of the sea” is another way of saying “sea-level would rise” as a result of pollution of air. (Revelation 11:18)

  The same word is used in the sense of being "shaken, unsettled" as happens during persecution. (https://biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/3-3.htm)

  That means sea-level rise was actually predicted, and was also being fulfilled in a monstrous way in our time.

  
  
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  Are both groups SCOFFERS and RIDICULERS?

  by Longlivetherenegades in

  1. watchtower
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  first group characterized by saying...... .

  “where is this ‘coming’ he promised?

  ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”.

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  Jws have still time to correct themselves:

  They can say one biblical generation is a life span of a spiritual person who died his natural death. Moses would be an ideal case. He lived 120 years (Deuteronomy 34:1-12), the full years of what God decreed as duration of one generation. (Genesis 6:3) That means First World war started in 1914 + 120 = 2034, which means “Last Days” or Last Generation would last till 2034.

  
  

  Using Pandemic and Climate Emergency as the trigger point, they can easily proclaim to the world that "Great Tribulation" is already underway from 2020's, and "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." (Mathew 24:22) It will only gain momentum as the years go by, and it will be cut short after 2034, and those who join the side of JWs will survive into the New World.

  
  

  Interestingly, secular person gained the victory over JWs. John Hogue published a book in 2016 implying great tribulation would start from 2020 because the very title of his book was: "

  The Roaring 2020s: Decade of Destruction and Transformation

  http://www.hogueprophecy.com/predictions-2016-the-expanded-donors-only-edition/

  
  

  People will readily accept such a message because they are desperate as the South Korea is now planning to do. (https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/south-korea-plans-to-host-worlds-first-floating-city-by-2025/)

  What is needed is HUMILITY. But JWs are struck in the literal reading of "seventy years" exile foretold for the Jews. Yet Jews began returning after fifty years, state all of Jewish documents.

  That means 70 years is like 120-year lifespan foretold for humans. (Genesis 6:3) Some will live less or more than 120 years.
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  Is the preaching work Jesus taught being diluted during the pandemic?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  the real preaching work:.

  2 timothy 4:2. preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.. matthew 10:8.

  “heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons.

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  Abraham1

  JWs are struck in the literal reading of "seventy years" exile foretold for the Jews. Yet Jews began returning after fifty years, state all of Jewish documents.

  That means 70 years is like 120-year lifespan foretold for humans. (Genesis 6:3) Some will live less or more than 120 years.
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  Is the preaching work Jesus taught being diluted during the pandemic?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the real preaching work:.

  2 timothy 4:2. preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.. matthew 10:8.

  “heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons.

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  Abraham1

  JWs can actually speed up the work if they slightly modify their teaching:

  
  

  They can say one biblical generation is a life span of a spiritual person who died his natural death. Moses would be an ideal case. He lived 120 years (Deuteronomy 34:1-12), the full years of what God decreed as duration of one generation. (Genesis 6:3) That means First World war started in 1914 + 120 = 2034, which means “Last Days” or Last Generation would last till 2034.

  
  

  Using Pandemic and Climate Emergency as the trigger point, they can easily proclaim to the world that "Great Tribulation" is already underway from 2020's, and "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." (Mathew 24:22) It will only gain momentum as the years go by, and it will be cut short after 2034, and those who join the side of JWs will survive into the New World.

  
  

  Interestingly, secular person gained the victory over JWs. John Hogue published a book in 2016 implying great tribulation would start from 2020 because the very title of his book was: "

  The Roaring 2020s: Decade of Destruction and Transformation

  http://www.hogueprophecy.com/predictions-2016-the-expanded-donors-only-edition/

  
  

  People will readily accept such a message because they are desperate as the South Korea is now planning to do. (https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/south-korea-plans-to-host-worlds-first-floating-city-by-2025/)
  

  
  
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  2/2022 WT: a repeated request & more doubletalk

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
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  we all know the now famous quote, "all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

  " well, this point is regurgitated in the latest wt, along with yet another new bunker scene:.

  "during the great tribulation, we may receive instructions that seem strange, impractical, or illogical .

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  Jesus never intended his followers to grow into a religious establishment made up of hierarchy because he described such growth as the characteristics of gentiles. (Luke 22:24-26) Now JWs have already made themselves into such establishment. To safeguard their position, they have to say things like this.

  Sign of God’s people or sign of God’s blessing is that "God will make even their enemies to be at peace with them." (Proverbs 16:7) If JWs had dealt with those who had serious doubts, they would have continued to be JWs, and would not have gone out exposing them.

  
  
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  A single Bible verse that explains everything—hope even to the disfellowshipped

  by Abraham1 in

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  "through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for;.

  through the fear of the lord evil is avoided.” (proverb 16:6, niv).

  sin can be cancelled [yə·ḵup·par] by acts of goodness such as kindness [bə·ḥe·seḏ] and faithfulness, and sin can be avoided in loving remembrance [ū·ḇə·yir·’aṯ] of god.

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  Thank you for the good wishes. Have a great day.
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  A single Bible verse that explains everything—hope even to the disfellowshipped

  by Abraham1 in

  1. watchtower
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  "through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for;.

  through the fear of the lord evil is avoided.” (proverb 16:6, niv).

  sin can be cancelled [yə·ḵup·par] by acts of goodness such as kindness [bə·ḥe·seḏ] and faithfulness, and sin can be avoided in loving remembrance [ū·ḇə·yir·’aṯ] of god.

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  I am using the same reasoning for many years and also helped some to come out of JWs.