Posts by Formerbrother

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230 Rulses for JW's.

by Ben131895 in

see www.avoidjw.org/2015/12/jehovahs-witnesses-rules explaining that jw's have to apply to 230 rules.

Formerbrother

There are many many other things that are wrong, I will go into it when I have time.

But please research more before writing such things.

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230 Rulses for JW's.

by Ben131895 in

see www.avoidjw.org/2015/12/jehovahs-witnesses-rules explaining that jw's have to apply to 230 rules.

The sons of God. . . . —The literal translation of this verse is, And the sons of the Elohim saw the daughters of the adam that they were good(beautiful); and they took to them wives whomsoever they chose. Of the sons of the Elohim there are three principal interpretations: the first, that of the Targums and the chief Jewish expositors, that they were the nobles, and men of high rank; the second, that they were angels. St. Jude, Jude 1:6, and St. Peter, 2 Ep., 2Peter 2:4, seem to favour this interpretation,

There is no doubt that JWs are correct about this. The sons of God are most certainly angels, they created bodies for themselves to have sex with pretty women on earth. The bible is very clear about this in a few places. They forsake their heavenly position to have sex with the women on earth.

Jude 1:6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode,........... since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh,

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230 Rulses for JW's.

by Ben131895 in

see www.avoidjw.org/2015/12/jehovahs-witnesses-rules explaining that jw's have to apply to 230 rules.

Formerbrother

1. Can you provide specific references to suggestive material to persuade its members to away from such careers? I use again Prince, or the artist formerly known as, he is very famous and now a very active brother strong in the truth, as said the Williams sisters, are top tennis players and you are wrong to say the things you said in the rules. There are many other less well known but professionals in their fields.

I think you are getting confused with suggestive material to persuade its members to away from such careers if its very time consuming and there is very little chance of success. All the pop idle and wannabes movie stars. But if you have genuine talent, then thats a different matter.

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Watchtower 1973 - "Dinosuars WERE on Noah's Ark"!!! College educated response??

by Witness 007 in

witnesses hate college education, and why would you need one when you have our "spiritual food" the watchtower answering science questions.. watchtower 1973 july 15 p.7 questions from readers.. "when did dinosaurs go extinct?

-they may have disappeared during the flood of noahs day.

not all of them were of gigantic size.

Formerbrother

I often wondered about how the old yellow bible story book had pictures of mammoths standing on top of the mountain looking at the ark floating away,

Why were mammoths not on the ark? Or were they and they went extinct after the flood?

I expect there were lots of animals on the ark that have gone extinct since in the last 4500 years.

I also think a lot of what we were told about dinosaurs is baloney.

Most of these skeletons of dinosaurs are way off in the guess work. If you find out how much was real bones and how much is guess work its only tiny amounts of real bones.

What if elephants were extinct for thousands of years and they started find lots of bones and putting them together. How would you guess what it looked like, I think you would be way off with your estimations.

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230 Rulses for JW's.

by Ben131895 in

see www.avoidjw.org/2015/12/jehovahs-witnesses-rules explaining that jw's have to apply to 230 rules.

Formerbrother

Angels

You must believe that the “Sons of the True God” in Genesis 6 are angels.

You must believe that some of the angels in the time of the flood have been imprisoned ever since.

You must believe in the Nephilim and that they were human giants, sons of angels, despite no archaeological evidence of their existence.

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Taking them one at a time, there are Angles mentioned throughout the bible. As with most of the 'rules' they could be summed up with You must believe the entire Bible is Gods word.!.!

Next one is wrong, the bible doesnt say these angles have been imprisoned yet. They are the rulers of this world at present. Satan and the demons are the rulers of this world right now, thats why the world is so messed up.

The bible does say they will be imprisoned for a thousand years then let out for a short time before being destroyed forever.

There have been archaeological finds of larger skulls and even well preserved corpses from before the flood. Google the ICE MAN for one such example, he was larger than 'normal' people.

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230 Rulses for JW's.

by Ben131895 in

see www.avoidjw.org/2015/12/jehovahs-witnesses-rules explaining that jw's have to apply to 230 rules.

Formerbrother

Most of the rules make sense, to avoid harmful things, but there are a lot of rules there that are not really rules but just guidence.

Like-

You must not have a career in professional sports.

You must not have a career in professional dancing.

You must not have a career in professional acting.

You must not have a career in professional music.

Well there have been a few active JWs who have broken these rules, if they were rules in the first place.

I dont think any of these so called rules can be found in any of the ORGs publications.

If so Prince would ave to be disfellowshiped. He is still a mega star, and is still doing gigs, he played in London last year I went to see him, he cleaned up his act, some of his classic songs have had the words changed to clean them.

What about the Williams sisters? They are professional sports starts and active JW's. They always give priase to Jah when they win a major tennis tournament.

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Jesus 40 day fast, what really happened?

by Formerbrother in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2016/questions-from-readers/.

did satan physically take jesus to the temple when tempting him?.

put simply, we cannot be certain whether jesus actually stood in the temple or he did so only by means of a vision.

Formerbrother

Jesus often talked about the waters of life, and there are scripture that say drink out of your own cistern.

I think Jesus drank his own urine on his 40 day fast.

David Blaine did a similar thing in a glass box in London, he went 40 days only drinking his own urine.

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Jesus 40 day fast, what really happened?

by Formerbrother in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2016/questions-from-readers/.

did satan physically take jesus to the temple when tempting him?.

put simply, we cannot be certain whether jesus actually stood in the temple or he did so only by means of a vision.

Formerbrother

I have written to the branch asking if they think Jesus drank his own urine during the 40day fast.

This was just after he got baptised, when the dove came down above him, ALL his memories came back to him, maybe millions of years with his father in heaven. It was very overwhelming, when he realised why he had come to earth and what he had to do.

He wanted some time to himself to think about thinks, I imagine he just put his garment back on after getting baptised, and he may have has some kind of animal skin water bottle.

Then he went into the wilderness to meditate on all that he remembered.

So the account said he went 40 days without food, but what did he do for water?

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Jesus 40 day fast, what really happened?

by Formerbrother in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2016/questions-from-readers/.

did satan physically take jesus to the temple when tempting him?.

put simply, we cannot be certain whether jesus actually stood in the temple or he did so only by means of a vision.

Formerbrother

In the past, our publications have reasoned that this event may not have happened literally. For example, in the issue of March 1, 1961, The Watchtower explained: “It does not seem reasonable to place a literal construction on all that appears in the account of Jesus’ temptation in the wilderness. Certainly there is no mountain from which one could be shown ‘all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.’ So too, we must reasonably conclude that Satan did not literally, bodily, physically, take Jesus ‘along into the holy city’ and station him ‘upon the battlement of the temple.’ Such was not at all necessary for the temptation to have force.” However, in subsequent issues of this journal, we have observed that Christ’s complying with Satan’s request could have resulted in Jesus’ suicide.

Some have stated that, as a non-Levite, Jesus was not authorized to stand on top of the temple sanctuary. So it was assumed that Jesus may have been ‘taken along’ to the temple by means of a vision. That is similar to what happened centuries earlier to the prophet Ezekiel.—Ezek. 8:3, 7-10;11:1, 24; 37:1, 2.

However, if this temptation occurred only in the form of a vision, the following questions arise:

Was the temptation real or imaginary?
If the other temptations were efforts to lure Jesus into carrying out physical actions such as turning literal stones into bread or performing a real act of worship before Satan, would not this temptation have been similar—requiring Jesus physically to jump from the temple?

On the other hand, if Jesus did stand physically on the battlement of the temple, other questions arise:

Did Jesus violate the Law by standing on top of the sanctuary?
How did Jesus get from the wilderness to Jerusalem?

Further research helps us to see some possibilities that may answer these last two questions.

First, Professor D. A. Carson notes that the Greek wordhi·e·ron’, translated “temple” in both accounts, “probably refers to the entire complex, not the sanctuary itself.” So Jesus would not necessarily have had to stand on top of the sanctuary itself. He could have stood, for example, on the southeastern corner of the temple area. From that location, there was a drop of some 450 feet (137 m) to the floor of the Kidron Valley. The southeast structure had a flat roof with a parapet and was the highest in the temple. The ancient historian Josephus stated that if a person stood there and looked down, he “would become dizzy” because of the height. As a non-Levite, Jesus would have been allowed to stand in that location, and his doing so would not have caused any commotion.

But how could Jesus have been taken along to the temple when he was in the wilderness? The basic answer is that we cannot know for certain. The brief description of the temptations does not state how long a period was involved or where Jesus was in the wilderness. We cannot rule out the possibility that Jesus may have walked back to Jerusalem, even though doing so may have taken some time. The account does not specifically say that Jesus remained in the wilderness throughout the time of the temptations. Rather, it merely says that he was taken into Jerusalem.

What, though, of the temptation wherein Jesus was shown “all the kingdoms of the world”? Obviously, he did not literally see all the kingdoms; there is no literal mountain from which all of them can be seen. So Satan may have used some sort of vision to show these to Jesus, similar to the way a projector and a screen can be used to show someone pictures of various places on earth. However, although a vision may have been used, the “act of worship” would have been real, not imaginary. (Matt. 4:8, 9) It could be argued, then, that the temptation to jump off the battlement of the temple involved a real action with real consequences—adding a greater seriousness to this temptation than would be the case were it a mere vision.

The fact is, as stated at the outset, we cannot be dogmatic about this matter. Hence, we cannot rule out the possibility that Jesus actually went to Jerusalem and stood on the battlement of the temple. But one thing we can be sure about is that these temptations were real and that Jesus gave a conclusive answer to the Devil in each case.

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Jesus 40 day fast, what really happened?

by Formerbrother in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2016/questions-from-readers/.

did satan physically take jesus to the temple when tempting him?.

put simply, we cannot be certain whether jesus actually stood in the temple or he did so only by means of a vision.

Formerbrother

From

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2016/questions-from-readers/

Did Satan physically take Jesus to the temple when tempting him?

Put simply, we cannot be certain whether Jesus actually stood in the temple or he did so only by means of a vision. At times, both possibilities have been presented in our publications.

Consider first what the Bible record says. In his Gospel account of this event, the apostle Matthew was inspired to write: “Then the Devil took him [Jesus] along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement [“parapet; highest point,” ftn.] of the temple.” (Matt. 4:5) Luke’s parallel account puts it this way: “He then led him into Jerusalem and stationed him on the battlement of the temple.”—Luke 4:9.

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So the Org is saying we dont know for sure if it was just a vision or if Jesus really did appear at the temple?