if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.
but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.
i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.
Government can mandate that social exclusion cannot be recommended or enforced ---If it gets much press I am sure the watchtower would be worried how it affects there membership drive.
The royal commission shows that Government will stick there nose into religion if it is in the national interest ---People demand it
if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.
but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.
i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.
Maybe that works in your Situation Simon - but what if you had extended family -that you have an excellent relationship with -- and they start shunning based on direction from Elders - I'm not talking about someones BBQ
I do not think they have the rite!!
Maybe not everyone cares about this issue --- but I know a number do!!
if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.
but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.
i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.
I think the time to strike is now!
Royal Commission in Australia
Feb 2017 saying "hey we give imperfect food and get things wrong doctrinely and organisationally"
If it gets a bit of press -I'm trying to work out how to best maximise the exposure- we may force "new light" and make the lives of many of us - including our extended families easier
if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.
but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.
i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.
If JWs want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out
But if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'
I think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions
Even the 'bible evidence' for the precedence is based on people that are called your [spiritual] brother and part of the congregation --- what happens if you dont wont to be part of the congregation ( ive put research on my blog on this)
I am thinking about talking to government that this policy conflicts with freedom of religion --- forcing families to shun members is SHOCKING
I know there are multiple articles about the Watchtower saying you should be free to change your religion (if you are in a different-to-jw religion) ----where would I find this material to provide to authorities ?
Cheers
i dont understand - even the bible does not appear to support a stand against blood transfusions.
sure it is against life-blood/slaughter flow/ ceremonial blood -- but not the other ---- i can't believe i used to follow this imposed doctrine.
my thoughts are:.
I dont understand - Even the bible does not appear to support a stand against blood transfusions. Sure it is against life-blood/slaughter flow/ ceremonial blood -- but not the other ---- I can't believe I used to follow this imposed doctrine
my thoughts are:
All Governing Body Adherents take in blood willingly
Yes that's right - they eat meat that contains blood -well most do anywayz
But it doesn't trouble their conscience - Why ? Because it does not contain the lifeblood. The animal must be 'bled' (strangled products are forbidden) -as if ceremonially the life has been taken and given to Jehovah
The first mention of this principle is recorded in Genesis 9:4-
'Only flesh with its life - its blood- you must not eat'
Then again in Deuteronomy 12:23,24
'Just be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the flesh. You must not eat it. You should pour it out on the ground like water.'
Again - Leviticus 17:13,14
'and catches a wild animal or bird that may be eaten, he must pour out its blood and cover it with dust for the life of every sort of flesh is in its blood because the life is in the blood'
So apparently...
life blood (blood shed at time of slaughter) represents the life and belongs to Jehovah
rest of blood - as in what remains in meat - is ok --as it is not lifeblood
So here is the kicker....
Blood donors do not give their lifeblood !! - They still live !!
So you can have blood transfused into you- just like you eat the remnant blood in meat !!
maybe there will be a mass exodus from jws when thinking people read feb 2017 watchtower telling them the governing body stuff up, shouldnt expect correct/ perfect information and basically make up guff as they see fit.....ya reckon?.
Finkelstein- 'The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction......Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food'~Watchtower Feb 2017- 'Who is leading God's people today' paragraph 12
aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
and I meant to say Babylon Talmud --sheesh
aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
sorry ment 330BC my bad - let I be cast into the firey lake
maybe there will be a mass exodus from jws when thinking people read feb 2017 watchtower telling them the governing body stuff up, shouldnt expect correct/ perfect information and basically make up guff as they see fit.....ya reckon?.
Maybe there will be a mass exodus from JWs when thinking people read FEB 2017 watchtower telling them the governing body stuff up, shouldnt expect correct/ perfect information and basically make up guff as they see fit.....ya reckon?
aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
Circa 1000 BC Psalms 37 was written "Just a little while longer and the wicked shall be no more"----
Hmmmm 3000 years later they are still here.................PROPHECY FAIL
A rational person could not say to anyone 'its only a little while -3000 years
But theres more!
Babylon- Isaiah 13 written circa 700BC -Babylon is soon to be destroyed - nomads will never live there.....But Babylon kept going -- was the governmental seat of Alexander the great circa 380BC and the Jewish Talmud was written there 300 AD---1000 years later.
American troops had a base there living right in the midst of Babylon ---google it---Camp Alpha
PROPHECY FAIL
I could give many more if interested
