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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

stockholm_Syndrome

thanks slimboyfat -- added your cross-reference to my blog - Gold!

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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

stockholm_Syndrome

Keyser soze --- thats not religious freedom --- go forth my son and shun

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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

stockholm_Syndrome

Australian Human Rights commission on religious freedoms:

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/sites/default/files/AHRC%202015%20Religous%20Freedom%20Roundtable%20-%20statement%20and%20principles.pdf

very interesting...

We cannot say it is a given conclusion that lobbying for change may work --it may even be highly unlikely---but worth a shot?

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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

At the royal commission here in Australia lawyers actually made Geoffrey Jackson look ill at ease talking about bible points... I think with the right ammunition..... and it would be popular with the public for the media...

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

stockholm_Syndrome

can we but try and get it changed - may not work -- but I would try

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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

stockholm_Syndrome

Government can mandate that social exclusion cannot be recommended or enforced ---If it gets much press I am sure the watchtower would be worried how it affects there membership drive.

The royal commission shows that Government will stick there nose into religion if it is in the national interest ---People demand it

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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

stockholm_Syndrome

Maybe that works in your Situation Simon - but what if you had extended family -that you have an excellent relationship with -- and they start shunning based on direction from Elders - I'm not talking about someones BBQ

I do not think they have the rite!!

Maybe not everyone cares about this issue --- but I know a number do!!

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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

stockholm_Syndrome

I think the time to strike is now!

Royal Commission in Australia

Feb 2017 saying "hey we give imperfect food and get things wrong doctrinely and organisationally"

If it gets a bit of press -I'm trying to work out how to best maximise the exposure- we may force "new light" and make the lives of many of us - including our extended families easier

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Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

by stockholm_Syndrome in

if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

stockholm_Syndrome

If JWs want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out

But if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'

I think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions

Even the 'bible evidence' for the precedence is based on people that are called your [spiritual] brother and part of the congregation --- what happens if you dont wont to be part of the congregation ( ive put research on my blog on this)

I am thinking about talking to government that this policy conflicts with freedom of religion --- forcing families to shun members is SHOCKING

I know there are multiple articles about the Watchtower saying you should be free to change your religion (if you are in a different-to-jw religion) ----where would I find this material to provide to authorities ?

Cheers

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No Blood transfusions - Bible does not appear to support it

by stockholm_Syndrome in

i dont understand - even the bible does not appear to support a stand against blood transfusions.

sure it is against life-blood/slaughter flow/ ceremonial blood -- but not the other ---- i can't believe i used to follow this imposed doctrine.

my thoughts are:.

stockholm_Syndrome

I dont understand - Even the bible does not appear to support a stand against blood transfusions. Sure it is against life-blood/slaughter flow/ ceremonial blood -- but not the other ---- I can't believe I used to follow this imposed doctrine

my thoughts are:

All Governing Body Adherents take in blood willingly

Yes that's right - they eat meat that contains blood -well most do anywayz

But it doesn't trouble their conscience - Why ? Because it does not contain the lifeblood. The animal must be 'bled' (strangled products are forbidden) -as if ceremonially the life has been taken and given to Jehovah

The first mention of this principle is recorded in Genesis 9:4-

'Only flesh with its life - its blood- you must not eat'

Then again in Deuteronomy 12:23,24

'Just be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the flesh. You must not eat it. You should pour it out on the ground like water.'

Again - Leviticus 17:13,14

'and catches a wild animal or bird that may be eaten, he must pour out its blood and cover it with dust for the life of every sort of flesh is in its blood because the life is in the blood'

So apparently...

life blood (blood shed at time of slaughter) represents the life and belongs to Jehovah
rest of blood - as in what remains in meat - is ok --as it is not lifeblood

So here is the kicker....

Blood donors do not give their lifeblood !! - They still live !!

So you can have blood transfused into you- just like you eat the remnant blood in meat !!

stockholm_Syndrome

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