In my case, i can locate my awakening in autumn 2001. with UN-NGO scandal. Till then I was still faithful, but a little bit disappointed by many things. I sent a letter to a local branch to ask what's going on, and got generic answer about apostates, "library card only" nonsense, and instructions "do not hesitate to contact your local elders for further info" - which turned to be opposit, they didn't hesitated to interrogate me on and on, like i'm the one who made mistake - probably i did, asking forbiden question. Month or two later, i was totaly awake, shaking my head what a terrible dream i lived.
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41What woke you up?
by MrRoboto infor me, i think it was just the right time as i was starting to wake up on other fronts as well (anyone who had went through these will know what i mean).
but it started when i was looking for what info goes on a publisher card, which led to me reading one person's story (ex bethelite) which was pretty crazy to an all-in jw but who trusts those apostates...?.
then i started watching videos on cults, as if my subconscious was trying to tell my concord mind something... when i saw a particular one about a young man in lds getting ready to start their 2 year preaching campaign, including a school, social activities etc, i realized that i couldn't tell the difference between the folks of this mormon cult and the jws (save for some religious differences) .
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JWs and Pacifism
by pale.emperor inpacifismˈpasɪfɪz(ə)mnoun: pacifismthe belief that war and violence are unjustifiable and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means.. .
one thing that always irked me as a witness was their pacifism.
i totally agree that non violence is a wonderful way to live, but at the same time whenever i'd read or watch something about nazi germany i always thought being a pacifist in that environment wouldn't work.
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JW are not a pacifist, at least not in common meaning of the word. Pacifism include some kind of social/public activity (nonviolent, of course). JW just refuse to involve in any public or social activity or to take responsibility for something of the common interest, no matter what is about. Thats not pacifism, thats just an irresponsibility.
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JW's Changing Tune
by SickofLies ini left the religion back in the early 2000's, tell you the truth it's been so long now i've been out i don't remember exactly when i left.
i definitely used this site a lot when i first left and it was a great asset.
when i left i somehow managed to get my parents to come with me.
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btlc
Same s**t, different package.
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1914 is the Key !
by Phizzy ini thought this deserved its own topic.
it is a thought that occurred to me as i read the wt rag that i took to be polite.. it is the public one about the 4 horseman, and it struck me that they are still 100% reliant on their false 1914 doctrine to hang everything on.. if 1914 is proved wrong, what can the credibility of their doomsday message hang on ?.
we all know how to disprove the old 2520 years nonsense, but they seem to at last be hiding that, and simply claiming that world events prove jesus slung the devil out of heaven in 1914.. so, what has that old devil done since 1914, 103 years ago ?.
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I usually ask a few simple questions: Who is The White Horseman? - Jesus Christ, they said. When he went out conquering? 1914. When exactly? October 1914. OK, who is The Fiery-colored horse? A global war. When it started? 1914. When exactly? July 1914. So, 2nd horseman came out a couple of months prior to 1st one? (silence)
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A JW explains Blood Fractions
by OrphanCrow ini was looking around from some information on the wt's stance concerning the use of stem cells, and i came across this article on a defending jehovah's witnesses blog.. rather than informing the reader all that much about stem cells, the author diverts the conversation into a discussion of "blood fractions" (*note: the term "blood fractions" appears to be another one of those wt bloodspeak terms coined by the wt.
"blood components" or "blood products" are the terms used more frequently by the medical world.
"fractions" implies tiny amounts).
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btlc
I would add a comment from a publication made in my country about JW and blood, which catch my eye (it is a google translate, hope it is understandable):
There is a dilemma all the time. I would not want to be cynical, but maybe what I'm going to say sounds cynical, but not intentionaly. Namely, as a transfuziologist I need to know what is the origin of any blood type. Blood composition and immunoglobulin and albumin and high-purified concentrations of blood-induced coagulation factors. Behind them stands a huge industry, multinational companies; their application earns enormous capital. That's acceptable. Blood, the erythrocyte concentrate, which is synonymous for "full blood", is practically on the verge of profitability. Not to be accepted. Granulocytes, platelets, plasma, which cost nothing, are not accepted. Transplant medicine, everywhere in the world a highly profitable profession, is acceptable. Liver transplantation (colleague X knows, a liters of blood is in one liver when is taken out) is acceptable. Transplantation of peripheral cells (what is the difference from erythrocyte? but there is a lot of money on that) is acceptable. Transfusion, which is not profitable, is not accepted. My big dilemma remains on that.
It turns out that, from the point of view of the medical profession, the official attitude of JW to blood is consistent only in one thing? -
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Completing the Scan of All WT Publications - Booklets List
by ILoveTTATT2 inthe ones i cannot find and their dates (important!
) are:1882 outlines of sermons.
1892 the tabernacle shadows of the “better sacrifices” (issued as a tract).
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btlc
I don't know if it help, but there is a lot of Bible Students communities continuing the work of Pastor Russell, maybe some of them could provide some pre-1916 materials:
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btlc
I don't see what the problem is. Are they leading The WATCHtower or not?
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Which Watchtower publications did you keep?
by Schnufti ini'm currently cleaning up our bookcase and need to decide what goes into the trash.
i'll keep the watchtower books that are not available online anymore (e.g.
the brown "reasoning" book).
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I have on paper pretty much everything ever printed on my language (mid 1950' onward + some Rutherford books). Scanned in .pdf also, + everything published in english i could found online (about 40 GB), i keep that crap for future knowledge. But i'm a hamster anyway, when is about a books...
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What was it like being a JW in the 1960's and 1970's
by UnshackleTheChains inthis is obviously a question for the older generation.
i'm really curious what it was like to be a witness in the 60's and 70's?.
was the society as strict as it is today?.
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I was a kid in 70', but i would say: same sh*t different year...
Plus: it seems to me that JW was a more spiritual, less materialistic oriented. DA and DF was considered as 'people from the world', you could talk with them even in a hall. And, if I remember correctly, in the middle of the meeting was not a song to sing, just a 5-10 min break, some used that for smoking break in a yard...
Minus: More spiritual - more spiritistic and occult talks, more superstitions, more "Satan" and "demons" in common talks, i.e. when you were in a losing streak, bad things happened to you, or you just catch a cold, first to check did you got something from 'suspisious' person, if did - destroy that (by flame or throw it in deep water), if didn't - keep looking...
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The JW's very own trinity ( and they don't even know it )
by Introvert 2 injust a little something i thought up on the way to work hehe :.
fds / org / gb.
fear / obligation / guilt.
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Just a little something I thought up on the way to work hehe :
FDS / ORG / GB
Fear / Obligation / Guilt
Fapping Orgasm Geek
Sums it up nicely don't you think ?
In one word: fog