Posts by btlc

i found on the very end of the document: "Reproduction and dissemination of the document - in electronic and/or printed format - is encouraged, provided acknowledgement is made of the role of the United Nations in making it available." But the UN is just a Satan's tool to attack God's Organization any time soon...

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Alternate military service pre and post 1996 witness policies. Please comments.

by benny in

what are the thoughts on the changes made by the society in the 1996 watchtower [new light] where one can then accept alternate army service where before you would have to be sentenced to do this.

i feel many were sent to prison needlessly or even executed.

this was not a matter of conscience as the watchtower claims..

btlc

In my country (SE Europe) military service was mandatory till 1997. I delayed my military invitations as much as I can, but in the summer 1997 police came and packed me to military base where I was prisoned 8 days. I had talks with some high ranked military heads, and I had oportunity to explain our standing (as JW, I was devouted in that time), that we don't reject service to our homeland, just we can't service under military department, but we can accept pure civilian service. I was releised, and few months later i was assigned to 15 months service in Center for disabled persons (mostly Down sindrom and autistic people) 10 min drive from my home. I was the 6th in my country who was assigned for pure civil service and the 1st who actualy finished it. It was positive experience after all.

I really don't know how I would explain the "old light" if military got me prior the 1996, I never understood how rotting in the prison is better than doing something usefull for community.

Years later when I discovered WT-UN scandal, I found that in same time (mid '90ties) UN demanded from several countries (mine included) to lose pressure on JW about military service and made available pure civilian service instead. Check points 30, 34 on this document dated 23 October 1996:

https://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/51/plenary/a51-542.htm

I can't get rid of the impression that the "new light" about civilian service was just an agreement (compromise) between JW and UN - at least one good thing out of that scandal...

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Sadly, This is Real

by berrygerry in

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btlc

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What Views or Beliefs Do Jehovah’s Witnesses No Longer Teach?

by minimus in

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friends

evidently they have changed their creative day from being 7000 years per day.

all blood transfusions were taboo but now blood fractions might be allowed to be taken into the body.

vaccinations were sinful at one time but not now.. can you name other views or beliefs that have changed from being considered “truth” to no longer “the truth “?.

btlc

Good source for digging: Beliefs Clarified, Watch Tower Publications Index

1930-1985

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200028612

1986-2019

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174

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'Organisation is our mother'

by EdenOne in

i need your help please, for an article i'm writing.. i believe that quite recently in the 2010's, possibly at one of the annual meetings of the watchtower, there was one speech (or was it in a publication?

in a broadcast?

) where it was stated that the "organisation is our mother".

btlc

Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace” p. 169:

18 [...] Jesus Christ [...] In this capacity he can fulfill Isaiah’s prophecy and become the “Eternal Father” to the first Adam’s offspring, whom he repurchases and adopts for the purpose of bestowing perfect human life on a paradise earth.

19 In such a way the heavenly Father of Jesus Christ will become the heavenly Grandfather of the restored human family. [...]

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So, the Organization becomes grandma, and 144000 becomes mom? Weird family...

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what prevents me from getting baptized?

by road to nowhere in

todays wt what a bunch of hooey.

try: nobody can explain the beliefs from the bible; there are lots of "rules" beyond tdhe ones on morals enforced(beards, movies),.

the "gifts in men" are in the least incompetent overworked well meaning; but others are overbearing power hungry bullies.

btlc

With last update on baptism questions, WT made it really simple and not so demanding, to suit under aged and aliens who doesn't or can't understand what they are doing - there is no more "on the basis" to belive in ransome (or understand it), no expressing of willing to do "Jehovah's will", and no more Holy Spirit threat over your baptism. We will see what fruits will bring that lowering of the criteria for future candidats.

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Service Department Reminder!

by Atlantis in

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friends

was not sure if all of the friends got a copy of this.. .

service department reminder.. .

this reminder came in with the other gdpr boe.

btlc

That's funny, it seems that former and fading JWs are more interested and updated with JW internal materials than average elder!

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Do You Ever Have Dreams You’re Still a JW?

by jp1692 in

last night i dreamt i was at a circuit assembly; i even had a walk-on speaking part early in the morning program.

i spent the rest of the day “working” the event in a security detail.

the dream lasted until the entire day’s program was over.

btlc

I dream sometimes assemblies on strange places, like hospital, we are all accommodate in rooms and watch convention program on TV, and hospital staff treat us like patients. Or we are on the beach, casualy dressed, watching program on beach cinema. I usually wake up unsuccesfully searching some private place to tinkle. Last week I was dreamed that I'm in the field service, I rang on the door and then panic started - no Bible, no literature, nothing to offer and nothing to say, but I managed to wake up before door opened...

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Watchtower hires off-duty law enforcement

by Diogenesister in

an indignant law enforcement officer wrote kim & mikey to let them know watchtower had placed an advertisement on a facebook page dedicated to law enforcement staff only, looking to hire a fully uniformed and armed officer at $35 per hour.

the commission was for the memorial in a specified texan venue.. the officer was particularly miffed at the hypocrisy considering the terrible way law enforcement was portrayed in the 2018 convention video, where the jws had been herded into a field to be slaughtered by a large group of officers.

not to mention the fact they are only too willing to call police for their own protection, yet won’t do so when it comes to protecting children from potential or actual abuse.. https://youtu.be/-rpcsztnvyo.

btlc

I don't know how things works in USA, but here (SE Europe) large gatherings should be approved by local authorities, who also decides is internal security good enough or should be dedicated some police monitoring (uniformed or not) to the event. Same was also 30+ years ago, under socialistic regime, some policemen attended whole program, some just noon break, eating free lunch from convention bife...