Posts by btlc

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New HuB logo

by MrHappy in

so the organisation has developed a new software for the coordination of nearly everything!

i just want point out a few things i notice about the new hub icon logo.

the image contains twelve pillars with the 2 at the front being the prominent.

btlc

Don't forget "W" in "JW", it is obviously sign of the "original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan..." (Rev. 20:2)

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Evolution or Creation?

by Doug Mason in

what would the outcome be among people at this site if we were able to conduct a poll on belief in evolution or in creation?.

what would the outcome be if at the same time we asked for religious affiliation (including formal, informal, or none)?

doug.

As a devoted JW, I believed for decades in WT version of creationism, mostly because my "knowledge" was based on WT literature. After I started to doubt in WT dogmas, I started also to recheck everything I believed. Among the last things was creationism / evolution. I spent months on that topic (at the same time i had to use evolutionary algorithms to optimize some process at my study of mechanical engineering), and, to make long story short, I found that there is nothing to "believe" - evolution is the fact, and theory of evolution is the best explanation of that fact. It is universal no matter what you observe - biology, chemistry, engineering, social science, economy, management - in any field you can successfully use the same principles to find solution, it works the same - the best proof of theory of evolution.

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Interested in a refresher about the anointed

by frozen2018 in

i've had very little to do with jw's since the early 1990's.

however, i do try to stay a little informed on what they are up to as i have several close relatives who are devout.

i rely on this site to keep me updated.. over the weekend i learned that a couple of my relatives, a father and son, have decided that they are anointed and had some bread and wine at the last memorial.

btlc

The number of anointed oscilated almost 20 years between 8900 and 8600, to hit the lowest number in 2005 - 8524. Since then it's going up every year, probably hitting 20 000+ this year (19 521 in 2018). If you count just JW + IBSA anointed in last 140 years, we talking probably about 100 000+ partakers (1935 was 50 000+ partakers). Add 1st century christians, some during next 18 centuries, and we really need some "new light" about 144 000 doctrine.

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1914 Was Originally Just 40 Years Past the End Date of 1874, That's All it Was!

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't need to understand complicated ways to go from 607bce to 1914ce.

you don't have to go back to the late 1700's to understand the founding of jehovah's witnesses on the back of william miller's teachings.

you just need to know that watchtower math and past doctrines along with changes in teachings are all based on lies.

btlc

About "zero year" thing, even C. T. Russell was aware of that, but he rather shift deadline to October 1915 (WT December 1, 1912):

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1914 Was Originally Just 40 Years Past the End Date of 1874, That's All it Was!

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't need to understand complicated ways to go from 607bce to 1914ce.

you don't have to go back to the late 1700's to understand the founding of jehovah's witnesses on the back of william miller's teachings.

you just need to know that watchtower math and past doctrines along with changes in teachings are all based on lies.

btlc

@AA: I believe the earliest mention is in 1877 book "The Three Worlds" (N.H.Barbour, C.T.Russell) page 83:

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German Files of Interest for Those Collecting!

by Atlantis in

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german files for the folks who are collecting these.. bewerbung für besondere predigtaktion in bolivienvom 13. april bis 14. juni 2020.https://docdro.id/2on5cdainfoblatt für diejenigen, die die besondere predigtaktion in bolivienvom 13. april bis 14. juni 2020 unterstützen möchten.https://docdro.id/1ympqjcscn:sse 5. august 2019an alle versammlungen im zweiggebiet zentraleuropabesondere predigtaktion in bolivien.https://docdro.id/ulnq2xq petra!

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btlc

@WTWizard, according to the letters, the target of the campaign are mennonites, community which speaks some kind of German dialect, so knowing Spanish seems to be irrelevant.

Btw, Atlantis / Petra, whoever you are, tyvm for all provided documents!

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Why do JWs reject the 587/586 BCE date?

by Doug Mason in

i do not want this to develop into another discussion on "607 bce date is wrong".. when the a-e section of "aid to bible understanding" was published, i was able to show that the article on "chronology" employed deceptive techniques when it cited its sources.

whenever i provided jws the evidence in print, it was like water off a duck's back.

"the brothers in brooklyn have done all the research, write to them", they would tell me.. i soon recognised that the jws followed the wts because of who it claimed to be.. it became clear that another, stronger force existed--the impact of shunning with the loss of close friendships and with the impact on their family relationships.. one could only stand by with concern thinking of the impact of the cognitive dissonance and observing the regular changes requiring lock-step obedience.

btlc

We seriously question all the claims of Astrology, but if it says something that fit us, it could be true. So much of the scholar approach to the matter:

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

btlc

I tried to read the whole thread (and more) about 607 vs 587 thing, and I'm a little confused because I can't find any mentioning of the Zechariah book. On the page 1662 of the NWT says:
Writing completed (BCE): 518
Time Covered (BCE): 520-518
Reading the book, and assuming the time as linear:
1:12 - "70 years" still on (520. BCE, 2nd year of Darius)
7:5 - "70 years" just ended (518. BCE, 4th year of Darius)
which gave us 587. BCE as 1st year of 70 years period, according to NWT? Am I missing something?

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