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  EXJW's in Mensa?

  by Luther bertrand in

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  any exjw's or faders out there in mensa?

  any online groups for this niche?

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  juandefiero

  I qualify. I just don't see the point in being a member. I would rather spend the $70 a year on a nice steak dinner.
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  juandefiero

  Clambake:
  Militant Atheist
  - Puts faith in complex bamboozles that they don’t really understand.

  Atheists don't have faith. And just because YOU don't understand something doesn't mean others don't understand it.

  -Idol worships men

  You don't know what Atheism is, do you? It's a lack of belief. By definition they don't worship anyone.

  -Mocks anyone who doesn’t believe in exactly what they believe

  Atheists by definition lack belief, so this is a flawed statement.

  -Never misses an opportunity to tell someone how they feel about religion.

  Overgeneralization. No one in my real life but a few close friends know about my atheism. I suspect that most atheists are like this. Now, if an atheist participates in an online discussion forum that frequently discusses the subject of religion, why would it surprise you if they expressed their opinion during the discussion? That's the purpose of discussion boards....to discuss things.

  -Both make mockery of god and bible.

  Theists, God and the Bible do a good enough job of that themselves...they don't need atheists to make them a mockery.

  -Both for long of day when everyone is exactly the same( no one believes in the bible). There will be peace.

  This may surprise you, but most atheists don't give two-shits about what you believe. All they want is for you to keep it to yourself.
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  Things JW's and Atheists have in common

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

  to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

  i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

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  juandefiero

  I was just thinking about something someone said on another thread. To paraphrase, 'JW beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'

  I realized, atheists believe these things too!

  So, what do atheists and JW's have in common?

  1. No belief in a Fiery Hell or place of divine torment

  2. No belief in an immortal soul or a soul separate from the body

  3. Both believe that when you die, you're dead...you cease to exist

  What other things can you come up with?
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  Why would anyone choose to support Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by Half banana in

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  2. beliefs

  what is the point of supporting a belief which began as a bronze age ox-headed idol called yahweh... in a religion designed for illiterate peasants now appropriated by a money-driven cult with a one hundred and forty six year unbroken record of total failure of its bible based predictions?.

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  Because, regardless of its glaring flaws, it's still the best thing going atm.

  How do you know? (Esp. if you are born into the organization.)

  Have you actually studied all other religions to know that for a fact? Or is the knowledge you have about other religions only what the Society's publications have told you?

  A devout Catholic who desires to sincerely worship God could say the same thing. "Regardless of the glaring flaws in the Catholic church, it's still the best thing going at the moment." Why is that statement any less valid than your statement?
  
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  JW.org vs. Cross: Honestly What's The Difference?

  by Hadriel in

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  2. beliefs

  i have a family member that goes nuts with these little things.

  i wouldn't be surprised if they have a drawer full of underwear stamped with the logo.. it is completely out of hand.

  now i'm not nitpicking here but what is the difference between printing a cross/wearing a cross than wearing a jw.org pin, tie-tack or whatever other logo'd item?

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  juandefiero

  In my opinion, there is no difference.

  Non-denominational Christians use the cross in the exact same way JW's use the JW . ORG logo.

  Compare it to Catholics though, and the argument can definitely be made that they "worship" the cross or at the very least, use the cross in worship. (Rosary)

  However, the vast majority of protestant religions do not treat the cross the way Catholics do.
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  The slow trickle has become a steady stream!

  by freddo in

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  2. friends

  in the last few weeks it seems that instead of one or two new posters a week we seem to be getting several every day.

  many seem to be long time jw's who are troubled by the path of the organisation.

  this is really encouraging to those of us who have been here sometime.. welcome!

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  juandefiero

  2 Halls locally are packed every time I drive by.
  Steady stream goes in and a steady stream goes out. Nothing new.

  Somehow, in looking at the nature of your post history, I don't really believe you.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

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  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  Evidently...

  LOL...
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  JW will be vindicate in the Higher Court

  Fisherman: What evidence do you have for that statement? Or is that pure speculation and hope?
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  Fisherman: Why don't you just give up your defense of them? How can you know all you know about the organization and their harmful policies and still defend them?

  They might be 99.9% pure, but if there's just that one drop of poison, why would you gulp it down?
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  Overlapping "Kinds"...Coming soon to a Watchtower near you?

  by juandefiero in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  putting on my carnac hat here.. let's say the evidence for evolution becomes so overwhelming that the society eventually has to accept it due to much turmoil in the congregations.

  how do they do so without saying they've been wrong?.

  why, redefine a word, of course!

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  juandefiero

  Putting on my Carnac hat here.

  Let's say the evidence for evolution becomes so overwhelming that the Society eventually has to accept it due to much turmoil in the congregations.

  How do they do so without saying they've been wrong?
  

  Why, redefine a word, of course! Just like they did with "Generation," they can redefine the word "Kind."
  

  The Society uses this word "Kind" to refer to the different types of animals on the earth.
  

  The Biblical “kinds” seem to constitute divisions of life-forms wherein each division allows for cross-fertility within its limits. If so, then the boundary between “kinds” is to be drawn at the point where fertilization ceases to occur.

  
  So, here's how they could go about redefining it.
  They come up with the doctrine of **OVERLAPPING** kinds!
  

  "Oh see, that whale and hippo may have come from a common ancestor, but that's because they are overlapping 'kinds.' That doesn't prove creation didn't happen!"
  "You still haven't shown one 'kind' changing to another...they're overlapping, so they're the same."

  Overlap is the new Magic Bullet.
  

  "See, when jehovah created the first single cell organism billions of years ago, he caused it to divide into different kinds. After all, doesn't his name mean 'he causes to become?'"
  
  "After that point, those kinds went through adaptation based on their environments...and that's why we have various species today. An ape and a human are the same 'kind.' You'll never see a human turn into a shark! Shark's aren't the same 'kind.'"
  
  "It's really very simple! Here let me show you. Pretend the root of this tree is the first single cell organism created by Jehovah. Then, Jehovah caused it to branch off into different "kinds." Those kinds continued to branch, and though they created more branches, they never created more "kinds" because they came from that same branch. **Don't you see? The bible is scientific!**"