Posts by juandefiero

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Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

by juandefiero in

yes - awake!

1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

"in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

juandefiero

SBF: I suppose it could be read that way, however in the 1998 article, they don't mention "thousands"... they use the term "numerous."

"...The accusation that numerous children of Jehovah's Witnesses die each year as a result of refusing blood transfusions is totally unfounded..."

Numerous could be defined as anything from a few handfuls to millions.

I could say I've been to the Museum "numerous" times throughout my life. That would be a true statement. But, that doesn't mean I've been to the museum hundreds or thousands of times. I could have gone once a year for 20 years, and the word "numerous" would still be correct to use.

So, the juxtaposition of these two articles is still conflicting, especially seeing as the cover for the 1994 article had pictures of numerous children who had died.

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Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

by juandefiero in

yes - awake!

1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

"in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

juandefiero

YES - Awake! 1994 May 22 p.2 Youths Who Put God First (3-15)

"In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue."

NO - Watchtower 1998 December 1 p.14 Defending Our Faith

"Jehovah's Witnesses have been targets of false accusations - barefaced lies and twisted presentations of their beliefs... The accusation that numerous children of Jehovah's Witnesses die each year as a result of refusing blood transfusions is totally unfounded."

So does that mean that the May 22, 1994 Awake! was a "false accusation...barefaced lie...twisted presentation of [JW] beliefs"?

Are we confused yet? ;)

(Special thanks to Splash...)

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Need help compiling a list of the latest changes in doctrine and practices

by jwfacts in

i have former jws looking at jwfacts.com in order to update themselves with what is happening with the religion, so that they can better understand their jw family.

it thought it would help if there was a page devoted to what has changed since 2000. .

2012 oct release of jw.org - jws encouraged to download their own publications and use ipads at meetings and field service.

juandefiero

Splash shared a huge long list of flip flops with us as his magnum opus. Great resource.

https://goo.gl/zYkAfZ

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

juandefiero

This video will be played at the CLAM meeting of March 21-27

Use Insight When Comforting Others: (15 min.) Discussion. Play the video that the elders viewed at a recent Kingdom Ministry School. Then invite comments on how the two brothers were a good example of how to give encouragement when someone expresses anguish over the death of a loved one.

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According to YouTube Egyptian bethel closing and special pioneer's

by Crazyguy in

according to you tubers mike and kim and son of thunder, egyptian branch closing.

son of thunder is saying he has relatives that we're running bethel in egypt for years and they have been let go reassigned as special pioneers yet according to him this job no longer pays a wage.

he also states that 5000 total bethelites world wide are being let go.

juandefiero

Thank you, Barbara, for the additional insight.

I'm actually glad I held off in commenting when I first saw this post this morning. My initial reaction was like others on here...to roll my eyes and I was ready to criticize.

But, I then went to Mike and Kim's YouTube channel and watched their video clarifying the information. It was straightforward, humble, transparent and I appreciated the honesty.

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According to YouTube Egyptian bethel closing and special pioneer's

by Crazyguy in

according to you tubers mike and kim and son of thunder, egyptian branch closing.

son of thunder is saying he has relatives that we're running bethel in egypt for years and they have been let go reassigned as special pioneers yet according to him this job no longer pays a wage.

he also states that 5000 total bethelites world wide are being let go.

juandefiero

I haven't exactly been the biggest fan of Mike & Kim...but to their credit, they posted an update and clarification. They were transparent and humble in this matter, in my opinion.

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Jehovah's Witnesses 'ordered destruction' of notes which could have been used during child sexual abuse inquiry

by oppostate in

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witnesses-ordered-destruction-notes-10848053.

jehovah's witnesses 'ordered destruction' of notes which could have been used during child sexual abuse inquiry.

06:21, 7 feb 2016. by huw silk.

juandefiero

GND and Joe have it right. It's poor journalism in the OP.

I'm glad the WTS is getting bad press. However, the letter specifically states that documents related to sex abuse are to be retained, not destroyed.

To assert otherwise is to spread something that isn't true, and gives more ammunition and weight to the "apostate lies" argument.

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Why would anyone choose to support Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by Half banana in

what is the point of supporting a belief which began as a bronze age ox-headed idol called yahweh... in a religion designed for illiterate peasants now appropriated by a money-driven cult with a one hundred and forty six year unbroken record of total failure of its bible based predictions?.

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juandefiero

I agree with Makemeanunbeliever... I don't like using the term homophobe either. I prefer to call them BIGOTS.

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Why would anyone choose to support Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by Half banana in

what is the point of supporting a belief which began as a bronze age ox-headed idol called yahweh... in a religion designed for illiterate peasants now appropriated by a money-driven cult with a one hundred and forty six year unbroken record of total failure of its bible based predictions?.

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juandefiero

makemeanunbeliever: Now as to answer your "real question". The ancient Jewish faith was flawed but they were the chosen nation. No doubt surrounding nations thought them crazy and they probably warned their young ones of pitfalls. So the comparison to Christendom could very well fit today.
So far nothing has moved me enough here to "make me an unbeliever". Thank you for your passionate effort though.

Have you read up on the origins of Israel and Judeo religion outside of the Bible? Karen Armstrong (she's a believer) has an excellent book called A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It's an excellent read and gives an interesting glimpse at the roots of the belief in YHWH.

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Things JW's and Atheists have in common

by juandefiero in

i was just thinking about something someone said on another thread.

to paraphrase, 'jw beliefs like there being no hellfire, immortal soul, the condition at death...have the ring of truth.'.

i realized, atheists believe these things too!.

juandefiero

Yet you are here making threads. Do you see the irony ?

You don't seem to understand what this thread is about. The OP (original post) is about some commonly held ideas between atheists and JW's. It wasn't espousing my beliefs at all.

Then, you went off and made a bunch of statements about atheists that were full of fallacies.

All I did was respond to your faulty statements to correct the record.

The fact that I have to explain this to you could indicate a lack of reading comprehension on your part, which could also explain why you refuse to answer Cofty every time he asks you what books you have read in support of the theory of evolution.