Posts by juandefiero

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Another one bites the dust...

by StarTrekAngel in

so despite glimpses of hope here and there, the wife is just not seeing this cult for what it is.. so who is the one the bit the dust?

i've not been feeling so well lately.

a bit of lightheadedness.

juandefiero

For your own health and well-being, you need to stop going to the meetings. Let her go alone.

She'll try to guilt you at first. But I bet she eventually starts justifying staying home herself.

I'm going to be blunt here.

JW's justify staying in the organization by saying that even though there are problems, it's the closest thing to the truth. They're afraid of God (a fantasy), afraid of not seeing loved ones again (another fantasy). If you still believe in God, you're feeding her fantasy and her hope, and she'll never let go. She might become weak and somewhat inactive, but I doubt she'll ever completely leave the cult and will likely feel guilty the rest of her life if she does become inactive.

If you wanna believe in God, fine. But realize that if you believe in that big bully in the sky, the organization has a lot of emotional leverage over you and your loved ones.

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Circumcision and Jehovah's Witnesses - a personal account with research

by PrimateDave in

i wrote this article to post on this forum because of the pain that i felt at one time.

i know that i can never get any acknowledgment from the watchtower bible and tract society because they could never admit that infant male circumcision is mutilation and abuse.

if for some reason some of you believe with all your heart that circumcision is a good thing, i would request that you read this with an open mind.

juandefiero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng

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A great suggestion from a current Bethelite on the chopping block

by Gilbeath Haaraloth in

a very close friend of mine has gotten his letter.

although he was planning to leave willingly, he told me that he can't help but feel a sense of being stabbed in the back by a bunch of self righteous traitors.

he gave tours for years, always telling the visitors "this is the best way of life, i would never change anything here and i'll never regret making this decision to come here.

juandefiero

I do agree about the male circumcisions, though.

It's BS.

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Music Video: Would Jesus Wear a Rolex on JW Broadcasting? - PARODY

by cappytan in

jw
friends

this took quite a while this evening.

so worth it though.

hope you enjoy!

juandefiero

Interesting quote in the video description:

The Watchtower, August 15, 1994: "In stark contrast, news reports have time and again revealed many of the clergy in some lands to be pedophiles, immoral swindlers, and frauds. Their works of the flesh and their extravagant life-styles are manifest for all to see. One popular songwriter expressed it well in his song entitled 'Would Jesus Wear a Rolex [a very expensive gold watch] on His Television Show?'"

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Music Video: Would Jesus Wear a Rolex on JW Broadcasting? - PARODY

by cappytan in

jw
friends

this took quite a while this evening.

so worth it though.

hope you enjoy!

juandefiero

I noticed the original post has one "dislike"...GB member must have stopped by and watched it. lol

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

juandefiero

My parents let me listen to Led Zeppelin...but counseled me about listening to Metallica.

I was able to listen to Hendrix....but not Ozzy.

I was allowed to listen to Stevie Ray Vaughn....but Velvet Revolver was out of the question.

My crew leader in Bethel counseled me about listening to The Doors because "Break on Through (to the Other Side)" was supposedly written by the Demons and it was about the flood.

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Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

by juandefiero in

yes - awake!

1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

"in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

juandefiero

SBF: I suppose it could be read that way, however in the 1998 article, they don't mention "thousands"... they use the term "numerous."

"...The accusation that numerous children of Jehovah's Witnesses die each year as a result of refusing blood transfusions is totally unfounded..."

Numerous could be defined as anything from a few handfuls to millions.

I could say I've been to the Museum "numerous" times throughout my life. That would be a true statement. But, that doesn't mean I've been to the museum hundreds or thousands of times. I could have gone once a year for 20 years, and the word "numerous" would still be correct to use.

So, the juxtaposition of these two articles is still conflicting, especially seeing as the cover for the 1994 article had pictures of numerous children who had died.

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Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

by juandefiero in

yes - awake!

1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

"in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

juandefiero

YES - Awake! 1994 May 22 p.2 Youths Who Put God First (3-15)

"In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue."

NO - Watchtower 1998 December 1 p.14 Defending Our Faith

"Jehovah's Witnesses have been targets of false accusations - barefaced lies and twisted presentations of their beliefs... The accusation that numerous children of Jehovah's Witnesses die each year as a result of refusing blood transfusions is totally unfounded."

So does that mean that the May 22, 1994 Awake! was a "false accusation...barefaced lie...twisted presentation of [JW] beliefs"?

Are we confused yet? ;)

(Special thanks to Splash...)

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Need help compiling a list of the latest changes in doctrine and practices

by jwfacts in

i have former jws looking at jwfacts.com in order to update themselves with what is happening with the religion, so that they can better understand their jw family.

it thought it would help if there was a page devoted to what has changed since 2000. .

2012 oct release of jw.org - jws encouraged to download their own publications and use ipads at meetings and field service.

juandefiero

Splash shared a huge long list of flip flops with us as his magnum opus. Great resource.

https://goo.gl/zYkAfZ

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

juandefiero

This video will be played at the CLAM meeting of March 21-27

Use Insight When Comforting Others: (15 min.) Discussion. Play the video that the elders viewed at a recent Kingdom Ministry School. Then invite comments on how the two brothers were a good example of how to give encouragement when someone expresses anguish over the death of a loved one.