I don't feel it was a "loaded" thread.
There either is evidence or there isn't.
The fact that some think it's a loaded question perhaps shows their lack of evidence to begin with.
juandefiero
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This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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juandefiero
I want to believe. However, I haven't found any evidence to support that belief.
Have you? If so please, show me the evidence that God exists, and I will believe along with you.
Criteria:
(1) You must specify which God you are talking about;
(2) Evidence presented must be verifiable.
So please. Here is your opportunity to convince an atheist he is wrong.
Additional benefit: you may convince someone else that is doubting to remain a believer! What have you got to lose?
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Do you still believe in God?
by FormerlySandL ini never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
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juandefiero
What god does or allows does not prove or disprove his existance .
No, but what god does or allows DOES prove whether he deserves our worship.
Even if I believed God existed, I wouldn't worship him.
Here's some food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ
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For those of us creationists who don't know anything about evolution
by truth doubter incofty- perhaps you would like to teach us the "first thing about evolution".. truth doubter .
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juandefiero
Here you go...I'll make it even easier for you:
#1 Protein Functional Redundancy
Comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things.#2 DNA Functional Redundancy
Comparison of the DNA that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy.#3 ERVs
Endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins.#4 Smelly Genes
Hundreds of broken genes that used to code for olfactory receptors in our ancestors are still found in our genome.#5 Vitamin C
Why humans can no longer make their own vitamin C and what that tells us about our species' history.#6 Human Chromosome 2
Our second biggest chromosome is made up of two of our ancestors' genes stuck end-to-end.#7 Human Egg Yolk Gene
Humans and our primate cousins have the genes for making vitellogenin and they are all broken in the same way.#8 Jumping Genes
Bits of parasitic code called ALU elements prove our common ancestry with primates.#9 Less Chewing More Thinking
A broken gene for a type of muscle fibre we no longer have tells a story about our evolutionary past.#10 Non-Coding DNA
In common with many other species huge amounts of our genome originated as copying errors.#11 Tiktaalik
An amazing fossil discovery illustrates the transition of life from sea to land.#12 Lenski's E.coli Experiment
An experiment with E.Coli, now in it's third decade, demonstrates the power of natural selection.#13 Morris Minor Bonnets
Evolution has to make do with building on existing designs as illustrated by the recurrent laryngeal nerve.#14 Joey Goes to Oz
Fossil evidence for the origins of marsupials found in Antarctica exactly as predicted.#15 Robinson Crusoe
The biogeography of oceanic islands presents an impossible dilemma for creationism.#16 Aquatic Mammals
An excellent sequence of fossils illustrates the evolutionary journey of whales from land to sea.#17 Belyaev's Silver Foxes
A 50 year breeding programme demonstrates the amazing power of selection and the interconnected nature of genes.#18 Fish Fingers
The evolution of limbs is mapped out in an amazing sequence of ancient fish fossils.#19 Goosebumps
A vestigial reflex bequeathed by our hairier ancestors.#20 Lucy in the Sky...
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Do you still believe in God?
by FormerlySandL ini never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
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juandefiero
I'm sure, JuandeFiero, you understand really. Mankind would not have survived - not with the free will which we have.
Then why intervene? Surely his point was made.
OK...then explain the confusing of the languages at Babel. What was God so afraid of? That Mankind wouldn't survive? Wouldn't that prove his point?
So, what you're saying is WE have free will, but God doesn't. We can decide to follow one path or another, but God is a slave because it's "impossible for [him] to lie"...and he has no ability to intervene until he proves his point.
Seems to me, we are the superior species.
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Do you still believe in God?
by FormerlySandL ini never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
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juandefiero
So, when a majority of vocal individuals present rational, logical arguments (that so happen to not agree with your ideology), it becomes a melee?
Debate and discussion are not persecution.
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Do you still believe in God?
by FormerlySandL ini never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
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juandefiero
Ah, so now the issue is total independence, not just independence from God.
Interesting how the story evolves when you're challenged. (Incidentally, this is how confirmation bias coupled with cognitive dissonance works...you change the story to fit your worldview.)
So, Mankind could survive without God if Satan and his demons helped us out, is that what you're saying?
How about the parting of the Red Sea? Isn't that intervening in Mankind's affairs?
How about killing 180,000 Assyrians overnight...isn't that intervening?
How about every time God answers a prayer...isn't that intervening?
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Do you still believe in God?
by FormerlySandL ini never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
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juandefiero
Respectfully nicolaou, as I've already shown, intervention before the due time will ensure that those evil actions continue without end.
If you do not like the idea of God, then be my guest - don't believe in Him - but do not slander Him or me in your angstWhy haven't you answered the question about God intervening like he did in the Bible?
Just explain ONE. The Flood. If you've shown God can't intervene, why did he intervene in Noah's day?
I guess God can't break his rules (except when he breaks his rules) but when he breaks those rules, he's not really breaking the rules because he makes the rules to begin with.
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Do you still believe in God?
by FormerlySandL ini never thought i would admit it, but i don't.
i might superstitiously have some kind of doubt but digging a bit deeper in my heart i really don't believe in god.
as a human i could never just sit and watch people be tortured, live years of abuse, suffer from illness and disabilities and all the other awful things people have to endure day after day without doing something about it.
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juandefiero
- What about when God drowned almost everyone on the planet in the flood, wasn't that intervention?
- What about the tower of Babel when God confused all the languages and spread everyone apart, wasn't that intervention?
- What about when God helped Judah kill 500,000 men, wasn't that intervention (2 Chronicles 13:15)?
- What about when he killed all the firstborn (including babies) in Egypt, wasn't that intervention?
- What about when God ordered the genocide of the Midianites, Amalekites, the people of Heshbon, and the people of Bashan - wasn't that intervention (1 Samuel 15:1-9, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Deuteronomy 2:32-35)?
- What about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, wasn't that intervention?
- What about God sending two bears to maul children to death for calling Elisha bald, wasn't that intervention (2 Kings 2:23)?
- What about God giving Jeptha victory over the Ammonites on the condition that he sacrifice his daughter, wasn't that intervention (Judges 11:30-39)?
- What about God giving Samson strength so he can kill 30 men for their clothes, wasn't that intervention (Judges 14:11-19)?
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Clearly God can intervene to cause destruction and death. And it's not just humans that experience suffering. It's also animals that suffer and die too. What about them?Notice how Acts5v29 never responded to that comment.
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BEWARE - More force adding on FB
by JRK inthey are doing it again.. a new group trying to boost membership is adding people without permission.. "ex-jehovah's witnesses aka behind the veil of jw.org" added me this afternoon.
they were bragging about how quickly they grew to over 2000 members.
i quickly exited the group.
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juandefiero
Hmmm...just Googled his name....
Do you think this is the same guy?
http://www.ericdsnider.com/blog/2007/09/10/tim-nasson-still-a-crazy-liar/